Comments on: Jakarta Post: and then there were nine? http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/ Unspinning communications and persuasion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 04:28:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: mira ismalanti http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-56177 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:39:29 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-56177 hi hi hi hi calm and come down

]]> By: confusedcious http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-192 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:37:04 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-192 Nope – the rivets were fine. The steel plates that were used for the Titanic were faulty. More like rearranging the deck chairs while the Titanic is going down.

]]> By: Polar Bear http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-188 Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:20:18 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-188 Isn’t this rather like arguing over the quality of the rivets in the Titanic…..

]]> By: Dan Murphy http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-177 Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:55:39 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-177 Yes with the monitor, live in cairo but half time in Baghdad. Sounds like you’ve been around truthhurts, in which case you know that (unless the JP has taken a big header in the last few years) it’s about 100 times better than it was in the early 1990s, and has managed to see off the other english language competition time and again.

]]> By: truthhurtsyaknow http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-176 Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:10:16 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-176 The Indonesia Times, which had been bought by Republika, folded shortly after the crisis, and the Observer went down a couple of years later after Bimantara pulled the plug. The point is that, like Dan said, while the criticism is somewhat valid, and always has been, what TJP produces, considering all the constraints, is a pretty good paper. Sure, more needs to be done to it, and it has its old — and new problems — but it’s not for someone to pour on the insults about the staff — and saying that many of them are high-paid freeloaders is an insult — and then disingenously say that, somehow, it was said with good intentions. One point though; competition is always good, and if the new papers do materialize, it will push the Post to improve. BTW, Dan are you still with the Christian Science Monitor.

]]> By: Dan Murphy http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-172 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:29:53 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-172 Stumbled across this blog — looks exactly like the complaints folks liked to level at the JP when i worked there in 1994 (at the time i think it was a maximum of 16 pages). Tired old complaints. Which have some merit, and always will. But, well, so? Tended to be filled with reams of stuff of interest if you cared about indonesian politics.

Back in the day JP was less “conservative” than the main Gramedia paper, Kompas, though of course that was in a dramatically different censorship environment, and a paper in a language that most indonesians can’t read got more leeway.

Have no idea where it stands now — but I’m surprised that it’s the only English language paper left. I guess the absorber has kicked the bucket. And wasn’t there something called the Indonesia Times?

]]> By: truthhurtsyaknow http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-170 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:33:04 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-170 Steady on people: Yes, maybe it was true that he contributed very little to the post, sitting there soaking up the atmosphere like a potted plant, but come on, obviously he was gathering data to make his case. Biding his time, ruminating on all that was wrong with the newsroom, cos he knows it all, he just did not care to share it with us.

But as for those personal comments about his appearance — they’re just funny.

]]> By: KuKuKaChu http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-168 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:47:58 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-168 Not only abusive, but racist also.

Does this have no end?

Will the real journalists stand up?

]]> By: Whythelongface? http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-167 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:30:51 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-167 Come on, it can’t be Gary, because he did not jump ship, but so I heard, did not have his contract renewed. And the KuKuKachu is obviously somebody who believes he or she contributed so very much to The Jakarta Post, hence the inordinate bitterness.

And, to be fair, Gary Dean came and went without making much of an impression except for taking care of his own interests (although he probably stopped some clocks).

Sure, at Jakarta Post we have many problems. And it’s great to bitch and moan about it, misery loves da company, so they say. And we all do go on about the many failings of this place — poor morale, management, compensation — just like people do at workplaces everywhere. We know that, and it sure makes for lots of chatter.

But, poor malevolent waspish KuKuKaChu, with a chip on your shoulder and a very big ax to grind — you obviously did not want to get a real debate going, but instead, all the while couching it in terms of “caring” for the Post, sought to slam all the “losers” that have remained behind.

Another desperate attempt to get some attention and recognition? It would be better to look at yourself — real hard like — before casting judgement on the Post, its many acknowledged failings, its crappy journalists and what it’s all about. Having a big intellect isn’t everything; personality and the ability to interact with people, beyond peevish selfishness, count too.

The Jakarta Post was bad when you got there? Please — you weren’t the CD editor notorious for doing virtually nothing to stories? (too busy on the phone, eh?). Oh, how many of those journalists with high ideals did you actually get to know?

Go out there, get jobs at other places, and find out if the same problems somehow, miraculously, do not exist there. If you can.

But we all should stop abusing KuKuKaChu. After all, we don’t know if he or she is one of those expats who comes here, because of being a big old misfit in his or her homeland, and stays on, always telling the Indonesians how it should all be done. Because they, being an expat, with all the powever invested in them, obviously know best.

And, as an Indonesian, you know, seburuk apapun, ini negaraku, dan TJP adalah milikku. Simply put, gitu loh. Merah darah ku, putih tulangku. If The Jakarta Post, and Indonesia by assumption, sucks so bad, there’s always home to go to. Try it.

]]> By: IknowfewthingsaboutKuKuKaChu http://theunspunblog.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-165 Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:58:38 +0000 http://unspun.wordpress.com/2006/07/19/jakarta-post-and-then-there-were-nine/#comment-165 All this recourse to personal abuse from people who actually know nothing about me

Please click for KuKuKaChu profile:

Unspun: I am witholding this link. I am not sure but I think it is blogging protocol to respect the anonymity of posters if that is their wish. I would also respect your anonymity and witold similiar information if it was the other way round.

KuKuKachu has also posted a comment that I am witholding as both of your posts are going into personalities. If you guys want to have a discussion of issues then fine, and I think a rational debate on the jakarta Post may be good for everyone, but if you guys want to get personal with each other then I’ll have to kick you out of my blog and moderate every posting from now on, which will be a pain in the arse, so cool it guys and get to the issues if you please.

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