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	<title>Comments on: Muddled thinking about branding in Bali</title>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-26111</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only branding concept that had an actual effect on the Balinese and the potential markets was the recent - and very short lived &quot; Bali is My Life &quot; campaign. based on the real people of Bali and all the sincere, honest warmth that they feel towards their island and visitors.

Accepted and loved by all the stakeholders who agreed on the concept unanimously backed the campaign, it actually had a positive effect on visitors to the island, especially from the Australian and Japanese markets and if was allowed to continue would have developed into a very successful campaign.

If nothing else it restored a genuine feeling that Bali is about the people of Bali and what they offer the visitor - and like it or not at least it was genuine and not full of the overpromise and false Disney land approach of so many other destinations.

Take away the bad elements that exist in the administration and there would have been a potentially fantastic campaign that would have revealed many assets of the island to a world that has been brainwashed by bad news about Bali for so long.

I say take a campaign that was already accepted and worked and take it to the next level through propper funding. Some people actually have a genuine love of Bali are are trying to help the island.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only branding concept that had an actual effect on the Balinese and the potential markets was the recent &#8211; and very short lived &#8221; Bali is My Life &#8221; campaign. based on the real people of Bali and all the sincere, honest warmth that they feel towards their island and visitors.</p>
<p>Accepted and loved by all the stakeholders who agreed on the concept unanimously backed the campaign, it actually had a positive effect on visitors to the island, especially from the Australian and Japanese markets and if was allowed to continue would have developed into a very successful campaign.</p>
<p>If nothing else it restored a genuine feeling that Bali is about the people of Bali and what they offer the visitor &#8211; and like it or not at least it was genuine and not full of the overpromise and false Disney land approach of so many other destinations.</p>
<p>Take away the bad elements that exist in the administration and there would have been a potentially fantastic campaign that would have revealed many assets of the island to a world that has been brainwashed by bad news about Bali for so long.</p>
<p>I say take a campaign that was already accepted and worked and take it to the next level through propper funding. Some people actually have a genuine love of Bali are are trying to help the island.</p>
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		<title>By: Ayip Bali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CALL FOR OPINION ABOUT BRANDING BALI</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-15112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ayip Bali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; CALL FOR OPINION ABOUT BRANDING BALI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 06:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 1. http://thebalebengong.blogspot.com/2007/06/bali-shanti-shanti-shanti.html 2. http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?Id=3870 3. http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 1. http://thebalebengong.blogspot.com/2007/06/bali-shanti-shanti-shanti.html 2. http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?Id=3870 3. http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Humble thoughts</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14988</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 07:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really thought a tagline should be a memorable phrase that promotes product’s distinctiveness and applicable in just everything.

Serious efforts are needed to reinforce the tagline on the back of someone’s head. I hope the efforts include some reality check]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really thought a tagline should be a memorable phrase that promotes product’s distinctiveness and applicable in just everything.</p>
<p>Serious efforts are needed to reinforce the tagline on the back of someone’s head. I hope the efforts include some reality check</p>
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		<title>By: Ayip Bali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MUDDLED THINKING ABOUT BRANDING IN BALI</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14812</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ayip Bali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; MUDDLED THINKING ABOUT BRANDING IN BALI]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from <a href="http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/" rel="nofollow">http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/</a> A webblog owned by Ong Hock Chuan, Former journalist, present PR hack, diver, disaster-prone [...]</p>
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		<title>By: unspun</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14805</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You guys all make good points. I am still intrigued by the chutzpah of the so called branding experts. They are worse than snake-oil salesmen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys all make good points. I am still intrigued by the chutzpah of the so called branding experts. They are worse than snake-oil salesmen.</p>
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		<title>By: riccardo</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14796</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could anything be more ridiculous and wrong-headed?  They interviewed 900 locals to come up with this!

That&#039;s like Rolls Royce interviewing their factory workers to come up with a marketing ploy.  The &quot;market&quot; is not the locals. Bali&#039;s &quot;market&quot; is middle- and upper-class Indonesians from other islands AND international travelers, NOT local Hindu priests.  

Rolls Royce&#039;s &quot;market&quot; is the top 1% of wealthy people worldwide, NOT a bunch of working class factory workers. 

And... the English is just woefully cumbersome. A brand slogan must be something that rolls off the tongue, or something almost poetic with connotations that stir the emotions of the people in the prospective market. This slogan is none of those things, not even close.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could anything be more ridiculous and wrong-headed?  They interviewed 900 locals to come up with this!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s like Rolls Royce interviewing their factory workers to come up with a marketing ploy.  The &#8220;market&#8221; is not the locals. Bali&#8217;s &#8220;market&#8221; is middle- and upper-class Indonesians from other islands AND international travelers, NOT local Hindu priests.  </p>
<p>Rolls Royce&#8217;s &#8220;market&#8221; is the top 1% of wealthy people worldwide, NOT a bunch of working class factory workers. </p>
<p>And&#8230; the English is just woefully cumbersome. A brand slogan must be something that rolls off the tongue, or something almost poetic with connotations that stir the emotions of the people in the prospective market. This slogan is none of those things, not even close.</p>
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		<title>By: ayip</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ayip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Feel sorry about process, strategy and visual execution for branding Bali. A destination branding is not just a tagline or logo, it&#039;s about to have a new vision built by every single component in a destination. Yes we need to have a branding for Bali, but we need something to be love and proud of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel sorry about process, strategy and visual execution for branding Bali. A destination branding is not just a tagline or logo, it&#8217;s about to have a new vision built by every single component in a destination. Yes we need to have a branding for Bali, but we need something to be love and proud of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jakartass</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14773</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jakartass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indonesian bureaucrats and politicians are regularly seen to be more concerned with image than with substance. 

Hence, as I commented yesterday about Governor-to-be Fuazi Bozo in Jakarta, blame the PR guys for society&#039;s ills. 

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Every big city in the world has similar problems like traffic jams, but it does not echo as hugely as Jakarta&#039;s since their administrations have a good public relations division that bridges the government and the press&lt;/i&gt;,&quot; &lt;i&gt;he told the Jakarta Post yesterday. He acknowledged that the administration&#039;s public relations division had been its weakest point because the less-competent officers were placed there.&lt;/i&gt;

So, ignore the &quot;environmental degradation&quot; in Bali and the negative impact of its tourism industry, polish up the image with a new logo and slogan and everything&#039;s OK? 

Teguh and his Bali Reborn team are hereby given a tagline obviously taken from the Expatriate Dictionary of Incredulity: Shitty, Shitty, Shitty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indonesian bureaucrats and politicians are regularly seen to be more concerned with image than with substance. </p>
<p>Hence, as I commented yesterday about Governor-to-be Fuazi Bozo in Jakarta, blame the PR guys for society&#8217;s ills. </p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Every big city in the world has similar problems like traffic jams, but it does not echo as hugely as Jakarta&#8217;s since their administrations have a good public relations division that bridges the government and the press</i>,&#8221; <i>he told the Jakarta Post yesterday. He acknowledged that the administration&#8217;s public relations division had been its weakest point because the less-competent officers were placed there.</i></p>
<p>So, ignore the &#8220;environmental degradation&#8221; in Bali and the negative impact of its tourism industry, polish up the image with a new logo and slogan and everything&#8217;s OK? </p>
<p>Teguh and his Bali Reborn team are hereby given a tagline obviously taken from the Expatriate Dictionary of Incredulity: Shitty, Shitty, Shitty.</p>
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		<title>By: Ri</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14760</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bali doesn&#039;t need a tagline or branding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bali doesn&#8217;t need a tagline or branding.</p>
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		<title>By: Rajahram</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/06/21/muddled-thinking-about-branding-in-bali/#comment-14649</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rajahram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unspun, I think Bali is a place people go to not so much because of the branding and publicity given by the Indonesian Government but by views expressed by word of mouth of the many people who have been there and have been terribly impressed. They were particularly taken up by the Hindu worship of the Balinese, their paintings and handicraft. They have bought many of these things and brought them back home for others to see. Also to be noted is the fact that many Australians and Europeans frequent the place. Bali has built a word of mouth reputation and a challenge for others to visit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unspun, I think Bali is a place people go to not so much because of the branding and publicity given by the Indonesian Government but by views expressed by word of mouth of the many people who have been there and have been terribly impressed. They were particularly taken up by the Hindu worship of the Balinese, their paintings and handicraft. They have bought many of these things and brought them back home for others to see. Also to be noted is the fact that many Australians and Europeans frequent the place. Bali has built a word of mouth reputation and a challenge for others to visit.</p>
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