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	<title>Comments on: WALHI in bed with Abu Bakar Basyir?</title>
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		<title>By: Oigal</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-24759</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its all about credibility..Who could seriously believe anything WALHI presents now? It would appear that &quot;Greenomics&quot; are falling for the same trap.

It is the height of arrogance to assume because I support the environment, I will therefore support a radicial religious or alternative political stand.  

&quot;People in glass houses&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all about credibility..Who could seriously believe anything WALHI presents now? It would appear that &#8220;Greenomics&#8221; are falling for the same trap.</p>
<p>It is the height of arrogance to assume because I support the environment, I will therefore support a radicial religious or alternative political stand.  </p>
<p>&#8220;People in glass houses&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: unspun</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-23546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[unspun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 03:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remondo: You know what they say about the road to Hell being paved with good intentions. Walhi may have the best intentions but if they do not back it up with right actions then it defeats the whole purpose.

My difficulty with Walhi is that they have been dishonest where Newmont is concerned and when the truth emerges they acted like the most despicable businessmen and buried their heads in the sand instead of accepting responsibility for their mistakes.

I agree that the environment is important and we should work toward it being people friendly for future generations. I also agree that many businesses have to clean up their act and be more responsive and responsible.

But lying and manipulating information is not the way to do it and gives environmentalists and other do gooders a bad name.

The purpose of this blog is, as the name suggests, to unspin things. That&#039;s because I have an aversion to falsehoods and dishonesty - no matter from which quarter it comes from. If you read the postings in these blog regularly you&#039;ll be aware that I&#039;m as hard in unspinning business and government as I am on NGOs and anyone else.

I can categorically say that I&#039;ve received no money from any quarter for my postings. Like most people, I blog to vent. Not all things in this world have to be accompanied by conspiracy theories. Sometimes, what you see is hat you get and you don&#039;t need to unspin them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remondo: You know what they say about the road to Hell being paved with good intentions. Walhi may have the best intentions but if they do not back it up with right actions then it defeats the whole purpose.</p>
<p>My difficulty with Walhi is that they have been dishonest where Newmont is concerned and when the truth emerges they acted like the most despicable businessmen and buried their heads in the sand instead of accepting responsibility for their mistakes.</p>
<p>I agree that the environment is important and we should work toward it being people friendly for future generations. I also agree that many businesses have to clean up their act and be more responsive and responsible.</p>
<p>But lying and manipulating information is not the way to do it and gives environmentalists and other do gooders a bad name.</p>
<p>The purpose of this blog is, as the name suggests, to unspin things. That&#8217;s because I have an aversion to falsehoods and dishonesty &#8211; no matter from which quarter it comes from. If you read the postings in these blog regularly you&#8217;ll be aware that I&#8217;m as hard in unspinning business and government as I am on NGOs and anyone else.</p>
<p>I can categorically say that I&#8217;ve received no money from any quarter for my postings. Like most people, I blog to vent. Not all things in this world have to be accompanied by conspiracy theories. Sometimes, what you see is hat you get and you don&#8217;t need to unspin them.</p>
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		<title>By: remondo11</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-23447</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remondo11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 16:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll declare my interest if you declare your interest in trying to muddy the reputation of a group that so obviously has it heart in the right place and is trying to do some real  good in the world... (even though their actions may on occasion be misguided).  So tell me are you affiliated with some company or industry whose toes Walhi has stepped on in the course of it&#039;s attempts to do something positive for this dying planet?  If you are my friend, can&#039;t you see that it&#039;s inevitable that companies and whole industries will need to change in major ways if we are to get out of this crisis with minimal damage.  Every day of business as usual is currently hurtling us towards possible catastrophies that will make the asian tsunami look like a pleasant day at the beach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll declare my interest if you declare your interest in trying to muddy the reputation of a group that so obviously has it heart in the right place and is trying to do some real  good in the world&#8230; (even though their actions may on occasion be misguided).  So tell me are you affiliated with some company or industry whose toes Walhi has stepped on in the course of it&#8217;s attempts to do something positive for this dying planet?  If you are my friend, can&#8217;t you see that it&#8217;s inevitable that companies and whole industries will need to change in major ways if we are to get out of this crisis with minimal damage.  Every day of business as usual is currently hurtling us towards possible catastrophies that will make the asian tsunami look like a pleasant day at the beach.</p>
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		<title>By: unspun</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-23273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[unspun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 16:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[remondo: &quot;They cannot possibly reply to everyone&quot;. Not everyone I expect. Just one or two will do. Have Walhi ever ventured out of the safety of their own website which, if I am not mistaken, does not allow comments and therefore a conversation to take place.

If Walhi wants to continue to present themselves as a responsible and responsive organization, don&#039;t you think they should engage in conversations rather than one-way communications through their website? They are no better than newmont in communications savvy if this is the case.

BTW, do you mind declaring your interest in this issue? Are you afiliated to FoE or Walhi or any environment group? It&#039;s only fair as Unspun is an open book to all and sundry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remondo: &#8220;They cannot possibly reply to everyone&#8221;. Not everyone I expect. Just one or two will do. Have Walhi ever ventured out of the safety of their own website which, if I am not mistaken, does not allow comments and therefore a conversation to take place.</p>
<p>If Walhi wants to continue to present themselves as a responsible and responsive organization, don&#8217;t you think they should engage in conversations rather than one-way communications through their website? They are no better than newmont in communications savvy if this is the case.</p>
<p>BTW, do you mind declaring your interest in this issue? Are you afiliated to FoE or Walhi or any environment group? It&#8217;s only fair as Unspun is an open book to all and sundry.</p>
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		<title>By: remondo11</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-23270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remondo11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 15:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unspun, for the third time, Walhi has responded.  Not to you personally but via a general statement posted on their website.  I have already provided a link to this statement in 2 of my previous posts.  They cannot possibly reply to everyone questioning Ness&#039;s assertions individually.  Is that what you expected?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unspun, for the third time, Walhi has responded.  Not to you personally but via a general statement posted on their website.  I have already provided a link to this statement in 2 of my previous posts.  They cannot possibly reply to everyone questioning Ness&#8217;s assertions individually.  Is that what you expected?</p>
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		<title>By: unspun</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-23110</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[unspun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[remondo: Please read the post carefully before you jump to conclusions. The headline is a question, rather than an assertion. The text adopts a skeptical tone of the veracity to Eric Ness&#039;s assertions. On top of that what I did, but did not get aroudn to blogging about it, is to write an e-mail to Walhi asking them if they&#039;d care to comment on these allegations. I was met with silence.

So please tell me why Walhi, which is supposed to be all for transparency, accountability and apple pies not be responsive to such accusations? And if you are a potential donor, what would your reaction be to funding an NGO that does not bother setting the record straight?

The issue here is Walhi&#039;s failure to respond to an open offer to clear their name of an allegation that has been made by Eric Ness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remondo: Please read the post carefully before you jump to conclusions. The headline is a question, rather than an assertion. The text adopts a skeptical tone of the veracity to Eric Ness&#8217;s assertions. On top of that what I did, but did not get aroudn to blogging about it, is to write an e-mail to Walhi asking them if they&#8217;d care to comment on these allegations. I was met with silence.</p>
<p>So please tell me why Walhi, which is supposed to be all for transparency, accountability and apple pies not be responsive to such accusations? And if you are a potential donor, what would your reaction be to funding an NGO that does not bother setting the record straight?</p>
<p>The issue here is Walhi&#8217;s failure to respond to an open offer to clear their name of an allegation that has been made by Eric Ness.</p>
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		<title>By: remondo11</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-22815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remondo11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 14:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The accusations were false!  Did you read my earlier post on this thread?  WALHI have explained how this photo came about.  Forum Umat Islam used WALHI&#039;s name without their permission.  Read the link I provided in my post....
http://www.eng.walhi.or.id/kampanye/psda/070824_walhi_clarification_mr/

Now as for the link you posted regarding FoE&#039;s funding source in Europe...

1. IT&#039;S IRRELEVENT TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.  You are obviously using the emotive title of the thread to get publicity for your own inaccurate views on FoE.

2. Enough with the ridiculous conspiracy theories claiming FoE only campaign against non-European companies.  The link you posted doesn&#039;t mention this at all so why bring it up now?  It&#039;s another point that&#039;s irrelevent to this thread.  Do you even know anything about FoE&#039;s operations in Europe?

3. FoE does not exist solely to campaign against companies (whether they be European or not).  It&#039;s aim is to protect this planet&#039;s rapidly deteriorating environment no matter who or what is contributing to the destruction.  Now it just so happens that companies and governments hold all the power in this struggle so who do you think FoE is going to lobby to try and help save the planet and the millions of lives that will be lost when the earth starts seriously reacting to human abuse.  Schiller do you even realize what a perilous situation we are in at this time in history?  We have virtually reached the culmination of thousands of years of ignorance about how ecosystems work and our utter reliance on their healthy functioning.  Of course FoE is going to lobby the holders of power, whether they be governments or companies.  They just aren&#039;t doing enough about this serious situation and more often than not continue to contribute to the destruction.

4. How can you construe that the fact that FoE lobbies or campaigns against the very governments that funds it as being a bad thing?  To me this demonstrates their integrity more than anything else.  It shows a lack of fear of speaking the truth despite the potential of losing some major funding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The accusations were false!  Did you read my earlier post on this thread?  WALHI have explained how this photo came about.  Forum Umat Islam used WALHI&#8217;s name without their permission.  Read the link I provided in my post&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.eng.walhi.or.id/kampanye/psda/070824_walhi_clarification_mr/" rel="nofollow">http://www.eng.walhi.or.id/kampanye/psda/070824_walhi_clarification_mr/</a></p>
<p>Now as for the link you posted regarding FoE&#8217;s funding source in Europe&#8230;</p>
<p>1. IT&#8217;S IRRELEVENT TO THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.  You are obviously using the emotive title of the thread to get publicity for your own inaccurate views on FoE.</p>
<p>2. Enough with the ridiculous conspiracy theories claiming FoE only campaign against non-European companies.  The link you posted doesn&#8217;t mention this at all so why bring it up now?  It&#8217;s another point that&#8217;s irrelevent to this thread.  Do you even know anything about FoE&#8217;s operations in Europe?</p>
<p>3. FoE does not exist solely to campaign against companies (whether they be European or not).  It&#8217;s aim is to protect this planet&#8217;s rapidly deteriorating environment no matter who or what is contributing to the destruction.  Now it just so happens that companies and governments hold all the power in this struggle so who do you think FoE is going to lobby to try and help save the planet and the millions of lives that will be lost when the earth starts seriously reacting to human abuse.  Schiller do you even realize what a perilous situation we are in at this time in history?  We have virtually reached the culmination of thousands of years of ignorance about how ecosystems work and our utter reliance on their healthy functioning.  Of course FoE is going to lobby the holders of power, whether they be governments or companies.  They just aren&#8217;t doing enough about this serious situation and more often than not continue to contribute to the destruction.</p>
<p>4. How can you construe that the fact that FoE lobbies or campaigns against the very governments that funds it as being a bad thing?  To me this demonstrates their integrity more than anything else.  It shows a lack of fear of speaking the truth despite the potential of losing some major funding.</p>
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		<title>By: Schiller Thurkettle</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-22700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schiller Thurkettle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[remondo,

The funding source for Friends of the Earth is very important. It makes it clear that they&#039;re actually lobbyists, who are paid to lend the appearance of public support for Europe&#039;s trade protectionist policies. This includes &quot;campaigning&quot; against non-European companies around the globe. 

This is dishonest and reprehensible, and now that Friends of the Earth have made common cause with terrorists, it implicates the European Union. The EU should therefore pull the plug on FoE funding.

The EU and the US should also put a freeze on all FoE assets until an investigation is completed. 

These remarks have nothing to do with any &quot;false accusation&quot; by unspun, however. The accusations were made by Richard Ness, and also by a member of the Australian Senate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>remondo,</p>
<p>The funding source for Friends of the Earth is very important. It makes it clear that they&#8217;re actually lobbyists, who are paid to lend the appearance of public support for Europe&#8217;s trade protectionist policies. This includes &#8220;campaigning&#8221; against non-European companies around the globe. </p>
<p>This is dishonest and reprehensible, and now that Friends of the Earth have made common cause with terrorists, it implicates the European Union. The EU should therefore pull the plug on FoE funding.</p>
<p>The EU and the US should also put a freeze on all FoE assets until an investigation is completed. </p>
<p>These remarks have nothing to do with any &#8220;false accusation&#8221; by unspun, however. The accusations were made by Richard Ness, and also by a member of the Australian Senate.</p>
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		<title>By: remondo11</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-22666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[remondo11]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Schiller, what has Friends of the Earth funding source to do with the false accusation made by Unspun in his post above?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schiller, what has Friends of the Earth funding source to do with the false accusation made by Unspun in his post above?</p>
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		<title>By: Schiller Thurkettle</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/07/27/walhi-in-bed-with-abu-bakar-basyir/#comment-22630</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Schiller Thurkettle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 19:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Friends of the Earth receives half of its money from the European Union. This is taxpayer money--or, shall we say, government money.

Someone needs to either freeze some funds or explain why they won&#039;t.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/17/weu217.xml]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends of the Earth receives half of its money from the European Union. This is taxpayer money&#8211;or, shall we say, government money.</p>
<p>Someone needs to either freeze some funds or explain why they won&#8217;t.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/17/weu217.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/17/weu217.xml</a></p>
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