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		<title>By: indonesia bukan indon</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-56273</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indonesia bukan indon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;so whose fault is that? The thief’s or the man who let the thief steal his most precious goods&quot;

you are admitting malaysians are thiefs]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so whose fault is that? The thief’s or the man who let the thief steal his most precious goods&#8221;</p>
<p>you are admitting malaysians are thiefs</p>
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		<title>By: Vic.Kyle.Ellanne</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-28437</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vic.Kyle.Ellanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I had posted something here before, heck, must be eaten by Askimet.
Anyway, @ DeaGle: Why blame here blame there? 
If the host invites problematic guest then chaos la. If someone fighting, both also lose what. Problem with police is either they be objective or they favour one side. 
For the bank without good security, of course the robbers take advantage la. Are you going to blame the robbers or the bank for not keeping safe your money?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I had posted something here before, heck, must be eaten by Askimet.<br />
Anyway, @ DeaGle: Why blame here blame there?<br />
If the host invites problematic guest then chaos la. If someone fighting, both also lose what. Problem with police is either they be objective or they favour one side.<br />
For the bank without good security, of course the robbers take advantage la. Are you going to blame the robbers or the bank for not keeping safe your money?</p>
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		<title>By: DeaGLe</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-26693</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DeaGLe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 15:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So basicly you are saying:
if a party turns into a chaos, blame the host, not the party-crashers
or
if a bank robbed, blame the security system, not the robbers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basicly you are saying:<br />
if a party turns into a chaos, blame the host, not the party-crashers<br />
or<br />
if a bank robbed, blame the security system, not the robbers</p>
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		<title>By: Vic.Kyle.Ellanne</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-26564</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vic.Kyle.Ellanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 20:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Unspun, this Rasa Sayang issue has been so hot that you have depicted so many threads discussing related issues and mostly actually boils down to the same problems but heck, it&#039;s so hot it is still burning not just one, but all your related threads. Ha ha. 

We have so many things in commons but just because there&#039;s an invisible line, we became so different. Singapore also promotes a lot of things both of Malaysian and Indonesia but no voice from yourside of the border. Maybe the main problem is that Bahasa Malaysia &amp; Bahasa Indonesia is so similiar (from the same root right?) but Singapore is speaking English, so we don&#039;t understand them. Ha ha ha. 

Anyway, Malaysia is such a Rojak country which blends so many cultures that it&#039;s just so tasty but also always confusing. 

I think Malaysia is the only country that has a 3rd language thought in schools.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Unspun, this Rasa Sayang issue has been so hot that you have depicted so many threads discussing related issues and mostly actually boils down to the same problems but heck, it&#8217;s so hot it is still burning not just one, but all your related threads. Ha ha. </p>
<p>We have so many things in commons but just because there&#8217;s an invisible line, we became so different. Singapore also promotes a lot of things both of Malaysian and Indonesia but no voice from yourside of the border. Maybe the main problem is that Bahasa Malaysia &amp; Bahasa Indonesia is so similiar (from the same root right?) but Singapore is speaking English, so we don&#8217;t understand them. Ha ha ha. </p>
<p>Anyway, Malaysia is such a Rojak country which blends so many cultures that it&#8217;s just so tasty but also always confusing. </p>
<p>I think Malaysia is the only country that has a 3rd language thought in schools.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Chick</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-25303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Chick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*Sigh*
Malaysians just never learn. Must be a severe case of Amnesia. Didn’t I just give you all the run-down on the History of Malaysia? Or rather, the origins of the Malays? Unspun please show them the way. 

All self-claimed“true-blood” keris-wielding Malays are ex-Indonesians. As such, all crafts and songs, legends and stories originate from Indonesia. Together, they form the “Rumpun Melayu”. Unfortunately this Rumpun Melayu does not stop at Indonesia. It extends all the way up till Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand right up until Easter Island. The so-called “scientific” name is Malayo-Polynesian. (yes that is the correct spelling) It was rejected in 1870’s because of lack of evidence in classifying the Malays as a race. Hence the Linguistic constipated definition.

In fact 75% of self-claimed True-Blood Malays are no more than ex-Javanese. The rest, are Bugis (Sulawesi), and the Sumatrans. Even the “Great Malaccan Empire” was a Sumatran migrant.

Take the great &quot;founder&quot; of Modern Malaysia. The &quot;Legendary&quot; Parameswara. Who was he? Our “his-story” textbooks tell us that he was a Prince from Palembang who founded the great Malacca Empire. Apparently a small mousedeer kicked his dog’s ass so hard that he said that this was a good place to start a Kingdom.

Number ONE) I’ve got very bad news for you. A prominent NUS Professor is about to publish a 600+ page TEXTBOOK, which in a nutshell summarizes that 

“MALACCA was INSIGNIFICANT” 

I’ve already read it. The facts clearly point in that direction. (E-mail me, and I will get you autographed copies of it when the book goes to print at the end of Oct)

Number TWO) Don’t’ you think the tiny ass-kicking mousedeer part is a bit far fetched? Mind you, this is in YOUR CHILDRENS” TEXTBOOKS!!!! Do you want them to be fed that kind of CRAP?

Number THREE) Here’s the REAL Story. Parameswara was the Prince of the Majapahit Empire. There was a Death Warrant on his head decreed by HIS OWN FATHER for wanting to usurp the Throne. He ran. He ran to Singapore. After a week, he KILLED THE SINGAPORE chieftain. (Its beautifully played out in a multimedia presentation in The History Museum of Singapore. I think I was the only one in the room, who was proudly clapping when I saw this) (even the Pasir Salak, Perak Museum confirms this with a marrionette) Since Singapore was under Thai rule at that point, The Siamese King issued Parameswara’s second Death Warrant. He ran to a place called “Biawak Busuk” at the mouth of the Muar River. As the Siamese were catching up with him, he ran away again. This time, to Malacca. By then, since his only source of income was Piracy by his Bugis followers, (who plied the Straits of Malacca), the Achenese issued Parameswara’s THIRD Death Warrant for Piracy of their ships.

A runaway Hindu Prince called Parameswara with 3 death warrants on his head. That’s the founder of Modern Malaysia. Now why weren’t we told of this? Coz it’s embarrassing! That’s why! Wanna hear what else has been hidden? I’m merely scratching the surface!

I was researching for any trace of the “Great Malaccan Empire” and sad to say, I did not find one shred of evidence at all! To visit “Historic Malacca” you see the Portugese Fort, and the Red Dutch buildings. You also see a “re-creation” of a big building they call the Palace. I want solid evidence of the “Great Malaccan Empire”. Not the “Great Portugese Empire”, or the “Great Dutch Empire”. 

The Malaccan Sultanate existed. Don’t get me wrong, but it was not THE Great Empire which one is falsely led to believe. It was more akin to a roadside canteen selling the-tarik.

We now ask ourselves, what all this “Ketuanan Melayu” is all about. Transalated, it means the “Lordship of the Malays”. Let us all ask who the Malays have “Lordship” over? And is how they celebrate this “lordship” by frantically waving a keris (crooked knife) at public meetings on national tv like a Drunken Wiccan Ritual on steroids? Let’s all wait until the Malays release the “official” press release on whom exactly the Malays have lordship over. 

Until then, let’s all debate on the other fact, which is that Rais Yatim specifically stated  that the Wayang Kulit is of Hindu origin. Not just that, the design are all clearly Siamese, to reflect the other northern migrants’ origins.

Final word, Bengawan Solo is so much nicer than “Taste of Love” (rasa saying). 
And Anggun’s English Albums are far superior to Malaysia’s backward-driven-cheap-copies of crap metal of the 70’s. Not worth it. Forget it. The fact is, Malaysia will always be a B-grade copycat. And to think that the Foreign Minister made an ass of himself on Hard Talk on the BBC just not too long ago. Worse, he openly admits to copying others…..

Culturally speaking, Malaysia and Indonesia are like dissected twins. Maybe Indonesia wants to take over their “rightful claim” on Malaysia like in the 1960’s? So they are now spawning ideas about all that I’ve written so far….be warned. Don’t say I didn’t tell you.



Truly Asia Boleh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Sigh*<br />
Malaysians just never learn. Must be a severe case of Amnesia. Didn’t I just give you all the run-down on the History of Malaysia? Or rather, the origins of the Malays? Unspun please show them the way. </p>
<p>All self-claimed“true-blood” keris-wielding Malays are ex-Indonesians. As such, all crafts and songs, legends and stories originate from Indonesia. Together, they form the “Rumpun Melayu”. Unfortunately this Rumpun Melayu does not stop at Indonesia. It extends all the way up till Cambodia, Vietnam, Thailand right up until Easter Island. The so-called “scientific” name is Malayo-Polynesian. (yes that is the correct spelling) It was rejected in 1870’s because of lack of evidence in classifying the Malays as a race. Hence the Linguistic constipated definition.</p>
<p>In fact 75% of self-claimed True-Blood Malays are no more than ex-Javanese. The rest, are Bugis (Sulawesi), and the Sumatrans. Even the “Great Malaccan Empire” was a Sumatran migrant.</p>
<p>Take the great &#8220;founder&#8221; of Modern Malaysia. The &#8220;Legendary&#8221; Parameswara. Who was he? Our “his-story” textbooks tell us that he was a Prince from Palembang who founded the great Malacca Empire. Apparently a small mousedeer kicked his dog’s ass so hard that he said that this was a good place to start a Kingdom.</p>
<p>Number ONE) I’ve got very bad news for you. A prominent NUS Professor is about to publish a 600+ page TEXTBOOK, which in a nutshell summarizes that </p>
<p>“MALACCA was INSIGNIFICANT” </p>
<p>I’ve already read it. The facts clearly point in that direction. (E-mail me, and I will get you autographed copies of it when the book goes to print at the end of Oct)</p>
<p>Number TWO) Don’t’ you think the tiny ass-kicking mousedeer part is a bit far fetched? Mind you, this is in YOUR CHILDRENS” TEXTBOOKS!!!! Do you want them to be fed that kind of CRAP?</p>
<p>Number THREE) Here’s the REAL Story. Parameswara was the Prince of the Majapahit Empire. There was a Death Warrant on his head decreed by HIS OWN FATHER for wanting to usurp the Throne. He ran. He ran to Singapore. After a week, he KILLED THE SINGAPORE chieftain. (Its beautifully played out in a multimedia presentation in The History Museum of Singapore. I think I was the only one in the room, who was proudly clapping when I saw this) (even the Pasir Salak, Perak Museum confirms this with a marrionette) Since Singapore was under Thai rule at that point, The Siamese King issued Parameswara’s second Death Warrant. He ran to a place called “Biawak Busuk” at the mouth of the Muar River. As the Siamese were catching up with him, he ran away again. This time, to Malacca. By then, since his only source of income was Piracy by his Bugis followers, (who plied the Straits of Malacca), the Achenese issued Parameswara’s THIRD Death Warrant for Piracy of their ships.</p>
<p>A runaway Hindu Prince called Parameswara with 3 death warrants on his head. That’s the founder of Modern Malaysia. Now why weren’t we told of this? Coz it’s embarrassing! That’s why! Wanna hear what else has been hidden? I’m merely scratching the surface!</p>
<p>I was researching for any trace of the “Great Malaccan Empire” and sad to say, I did not find one shred of evidence at all! To visit “Historic Malacca” you see the Portugese Fort, and the Red Dutch buildings. You also see a “re-creation” of a big building they call the Palace. I want solid evidence of the “Great Malaccan Empire”. Not the “Great Portugese Empire”, or the “Great Dutch Empire”. </p>
<p>The Malaccan Sultanate existed. Don’t get me wrong, but it was not THE Great Empire which one is falsely led to believe. It was more akin to a roadside canteen selling the-tarik.</p>
<p>We now ask ourselves, what all this “Ketuanan Melayu” is all about. Transalated, it means the “Lordship of the Malays”. Let us all ask who the Malays have “Lordship” over? And is how they celebrate this “lordship” by frantically waving a keris (crooked knife) at public meetings on national tv like a Drunken Wiccan Ritual on steroids? Let’s all wait until the Malays release the “official” press release on whom exactly the Malays have lordship over. </p>
<p>Until then, let’s all debate on the other fact, which is that Rais Yatim specifically stated  that the Wayang Kulit is of Hindu origin. Not just that, the design are all clearly Siamese, to reflect the other northern migrants’ origins.</p>
<p>Final word, Bengawan Solo is so much nicer than “Taste of Love” (rasa saying).<br />
And Anggun’s English Albums are far superior to Malaysia’s backward-driven-cheap-copies of crap metal of the 70’s. Not worth it. Forget it. The fact is, Malaysia will always be a B-grade copycat. And to think that the Foreign Minister made an ass of himself on Hard Talk on the BBC just not too long ago. Worse, he openly admits to copying others…..</p>
<p>Culturally speaking, Malaysia and Indonesia are like dissected twins. Maybe Indonesia wants to take over their “rightful claim” on Malaysia like in the 1960’s? So they are now spawning ideas about all that I’ve written so far….be warned. Don’t say I didn’t tell you.</p>
<p>Truly Asia Boleh</p>
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		<title>By: Toshihiko Atsuyama</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-25264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toshihiko Atsuyama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 05:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps you should check this site:

http://tolololpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Malaysia]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps you should check this site:</p>
<p><a href="http://tolololpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Malaysia" rel="nofollow">http://tolololpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Malaysia</a></p>
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		<title>By: indon GOBLOK</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-25252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[indon GOBLOK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[bangsa indon ini sebenarnya cemburu dengan apa yang Malaysia telah capai  hari ini 
Indon merasakan mereka lebih dahulu merdeka dan abang kepada malaysia cemburu kalau malaysia mendahului mereka dalam apa2 bidang pun ...

rasa sayang  ..... umpama sampah  yg tak berguna kemudian dirawat menjadi barang yg cantik baru dia kecah kata hak dia ...tu le lain kali jaga baik2]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bangsa indon ini sebenarnya cemburu dengan apa yang Malaysia telah capai  hari ini<br />
Indon merasakan mereka lebih dahulu merdeka dan abang kepada malaysia cemburu kalau malaysia mendahului mereka dalam apa2 bidang pun &#8230;</p>
<p>rasa sayang  &#8230;.. umpama sampah  yg tak berguna kemudian dirawat menjadi barang yg cantik baru dia kecah kata hak dia &#8230;tu le lain kali jaga baik2</p>
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		<title>By: Toshihiko Atsuyama</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-25217</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Toshihiko Atsuyama]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey, thx for your support for my Blog! hehee...

Rasa Sayange is OBVIOUSLY an Indonesian folk song, as evident in this website:

http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasa_Sayang-Sayange

It comes from Maluku, which is clearly a part of Indonesia, if those Malaysians are unaware...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, thx for your support for my Blog! hehee&#8230;</p>
<p>Rasa Sayange is OBVIOUSLY an Indonesian folk song, as evident in this website:</p>
<p><a href="http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasa_Sayang-Sayange" rel="nofollow">http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasa_Sayang-Sayange</a></p>
<p>It comes from Maluku, which is clearly a part of Indonesia, if those Malaysians are unaware&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Roslan</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-25214</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roslan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arent there more pressing matters to be dealt with instead of rasa sayang. The reconstruction of Aceh after the tsunami, the recent quake in Sumatera, etc etc....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arent there more pressing matters to be dealt with instead of rasa sayang. The reconstruction of Aceh after the tsunami, the recent quake in Sumatera, etc etc&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rani</title>
		<link>http://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/02/a-tale-of-two-rumpuns/#comment-25207</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rani]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, i meant: Indonesians always want to pursue their rights withOUT exerting ENOUGH efforts in deserving it (i.e. through savvy marketing efforts or do civil obligations or by not turning blind eye into corrupt practices)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, i meant: Indonesians always want to pursue their rights withOUT exerting ENOUGH efforts in deserving it (i.e. through savvy marketing efforts or do civil obligations or by not turning blind eye into corrupt practices)</p>
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