Reader’s request: May 13


Unspun readers Kamarul and Shamsul were threatening to hijack the discussion thread at Rasa Not so Sayang when Unspun asked them whether they would like to duke it out in a new thread. Since Kamarul initiated the idea, would he care to send Unspun something to post to start the discussion?  He complied and sent Unspun the post below.

(Note: This posting and discussion thread is meant for people adult enough to discuss and to disagree without getting their knickers in a twist. It concerns race and some topics which may be considered taboo in Malaysia. It is not meant to incite, as the government often claims for discussions of such a nature, racial hatred, but understanding between people with different viewpoints.  Having said that those joining thi discussion please adhere to the elements of skillful communications – if you disagree, state opinion and substantiate, no name calling, avoid emotive words, avoid ad hominem attacks. Other than that, enjoy yourselves.

“The May 13 was a pretext for staging that coup… I am not the first person who said it was a coup d’etat but I am providing the documents to show how it was a coup d’etat.” (11 May 2007, “Unveiling the ‘May 13′ riots”, Malaysiakini.com)

The papers and Malaysiakini have highlighted his main conclusion, that May 13th was an orchestrated coup d’etat by Tun Razak and his gang of thugs, brought on by the aspirations of an ascendant state Malay capitalist class.

I think the book may have been more balanced if it examined Chinese attitudes leading up to the riots, especially of the collusion of Chinese “big businessmen” with a pro-British UMNO under Dato Onn to maintain the status quo, because I think it needs to be stressed that no one came out clean prior to the riots. And certainly, the British didn’t come out clean after the riots.

The most controversial chapter happens to be at the heart of the book, in Chapter 3, where Dr Kua draws from sources declassified from the British High Commission and dispatches from various parties on the scene which help narrate, in chronological order, the events that occurred during the rioting. Reading that chapter was like reading a book of facts relayed with too many dark hints, and detailing none of the visceral horror the Chinese and Indians must have felt during those benighted days.

I think we all know the conclusions following the rioting: the institution of an emergency government, the curtailing of dissent, arrests and threats to opposition leaders, manufactured lies about the causes of May 13th, and so on. Many of the policies instituted during following the riots have not changed, and Dr Kua takes the time to point them out. After almost forty years, I think its about time things changed.

If you believe the dispatches from the British High Commission and other foreign journalists, then you will have to conclude that their witness of events during the May 13th riots of 1969 bears out the conclusions Dr Kua puts forward in his book. I found no reason to disbelieve those dispatches, and therefore, I can only say:


I want justice for those who died during the May 13th riots.

I want justice, and I hope to God you want justice, too. Support for the formation of an investigative Royal Commission

Kamarul 15 Syawal 1428 H

58 responses to “Reader’s request: May 13”

  1. I am all for the truth. The Malaysian Government had previously kept a tight lid on this fateful event and all of us were kept in the dark.

    Surely the past 38 years have made us all more mature and ready for the truth.

    And there is no better way to look at all the issues and happenings in a more transparent manner than a Royal Commission.

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  2. TQ unspun :-), as unspun said, me and shamsul gonna hijack the Rasa Not So Sayang thread, so this leave no room to unspun other than to open another thread on this hehe…sorry by the way, couldnt resist it 🙂

    whether ur malay/chinese/indian/indonesians/etc, pls leave ur most matured comments on this…

    WHAT REALLY HAPPENED IN MAY 1969

    Below are excerpts and summary of the chronology of events based on the declassified documents released by the British High Commisson…

    May 10
    The ruling Alliance Party suffered a major setback in the general election although it had managed to retain a simple parliamentary majority. They had lost Penang to the Gerakan Party; Kelantan to the Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party while Perak and Selangor were at the brink of falling into the opposition’s hands.

    May 11 and May 12:
    On both nights, the opposition celebrated their victory. A large Gerakan procession was held to welcome the left-wing Gerakan leader V David back from winning the federal seat in Penang.

    May 13:
    The MCA which had suffered badly at the polls, announced that it would withdraw from the cabinet while remaining within the Alliance.
    A dispatch from a foreign correspondent showed it is evident that there was a plan for youths mobilised by Umno elements to assemble at then Selangor menteri besar Harun Idris’ residence in the late afternoon. A retaliatory march had been planned although police permission was withheld.
    When people were still assembling for the parade, trouble broke out in the nearby Malay section of Kampung Baru, where two Chinese lorries were burnt. The ensuing carnage at Kampung Baru and Batu Road quickly spread elsewhere in Kuala Lumpur.
    The foreign correspondent noted the curfew that was imposed was not fairly applied to all.
    “In the side streets off Jalan Hale, I could see bands of Malay youths armed with parangs and sharpened bamboo spears assembled in full view of troops posted at road junctions. Meanwhile, at Batu Road, a number of foreign correspondents saw members of the Royal Malay Regiment firing into Chinese shophouses for no apparent reason.”
    Prime Minister Tunku Abdul Rahman immediately attributed the violence as triggered off by the behaviour of opposition supporters after the election result announcement while his deputy Tun Abdul Razak pinned the blame on the communists.

    May 14:
    The riots continued but on a smaller scale. The curfew was only lifted in staggered hours in various districts to allow people to buy food. The police called out all possible reserves and handed over the northern part of the city to the army.
    Police put casualties for the previous night incident at 44 killed and about 150 injured. Another dispatch showed the casualties were mainly Chinese as it stated that out of 77 corpses in the morgue of the General Hospital on May 14, at least 60 were Chinese.
    The government’s attempts to blame the communists for the riots were however not taken seriously by the officials at the British High Commission (BHC) who could see that the Tunku was not prepared to blame his own people for the riots, nor was he going to blame it on the Chinese “as a whole”.

    May 15:
    The King proclaimed a state of emergency. The National Operations Council headed by Tun Razak was formed. Tun Razak was still responsible to the Tunku, but all the powers under Emergency Regulations were vested in him.
    The curfew had been lifted temporarily in Kuala Lumpur that morning but the situation had rapidly worsened and more sporadic fighting had broken out. Curfews were re-imposed but food was very short.
    The local press was suspended until censorship regulations could be drawn up but no attempt was made to supervise reports sent out by foreign correspondents.

    May 16:
    The situation was still tense in Selangor with cars and houses being burned and fatalities rising. Death tolls had risen to 89 with over 300 injured. 24 hour curfew remained in force in Selangor and had also been imposed in Malacca. In Penang and Perak, the situation had improved although the curfew remained in forceTunku made a broadcast in which he announced the setting up of a National Defence Force to be manned by volunteers. The new information minister Hamzah Abu Samah and Tun Razak gave a press conference pinning the blame for the riots on communist infiltration of the opposition parties.
    There were reports of looting by the largely Malay military and their bias against the Chinese Malaysians. Number of refugees were increasing.

    May 17
    From a BHC telegram, it showed there were skepticism among British officers toward the official figures for fatalities and the preponderance of Chinese casualties among the dead. The police estimated the deaths at about 100 now while British officers estimated the proportion of Chinese to Malay casualties is about 85:15.
    The press censorship invited criticism not only from the local press but also in diplomatic circles especially when official statements lacked clarity and credibility.
    In a confidential BHC memorandum to the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO), the coup d’etat has been acknowledged and it has effected the transfer of power not only to “Malay hands” but also to the security forces. The latter’s professionalism is questioned.
    The BHC also noted the Federal Reserve Unit, which at the time was multiracial in composition, was the more impartial of the security forces while the Malay troops were discriminatory in enforcing the curfew.
    “Discriminatory takes the form, for example, of not, repeat not, enforcing the curfew in one of the most violently disposed of the Malay areas in Kuala Lumpur (Kampung Baru) where Malays armed with parangs, etc continue to circulate freely; with the inevitable result that gangs slip through the cordon round the area and attack Chinese outside it. In Chinese areas, the curfew is strictly enforced.”

    May 18:
    The Tunku qualified his earlier assertion that the disturbances were caused by communists, putting the blame instead on assorted “bad elements”. He also announced the deferment of the Sarawak elections and the continuance of the restrictions on the movement of foreign journalists.
    The situation was still unsettled in some parts of the capital city.

    May 19:
    Less than a week after the riots, the reins of power had effectively passed to Tun Razak, indicating that there had been a plot to bring about the coup d’etat.
    “The exact relationship between Tun Razak and the Tunku is not clear. In public Tun Razak says he is directly responsible to the Tunku but he has made it clear privately that he is completely in charge of the country. This could mean the beginning of a process of withdrawal by the Tunku as an effective PM”.
    There are some 10,000 reported refugees. The local press was allowed to publish under censorship while foreign journalists had their curfew passes withdrawn. Some opposition politicians were arrested.

    May 20:
    In a meeting, an Australian High Commissioner had suggested the opposition leaders should be given a role as peace maker but Tun Razak and Ghazali Shafie were firmly against this. “They considered opposition leaders would simply use such an opportunity to promote their own political views.”
    The Malaysian Red Cross Society is continuing its daily feeding programme for refugees in various places and over 5,000 had received food supplies.

    May 21:
    The official statistics of casualties at this juncture were 137 killed (18 Malays), 342 injured, 109 vehicles burned, 118 buildings destroyed and 2,912 persons arrested who were mostly curfew breakers.

    May 23:
    The declassified documents reveal that Malay troops were not only fraternising with the Malay thugs but were discharging their firearms indiscriminately at Chinese shophouses as they went through the city.
    “When confronted by foreign correspondents with reports of racial discrimination, Tun Razak flatly denied them. Following this, curfew passes issued to foreign journalists were withdrawn and reporters were ordered to remain indoors ‘for their own safety’.”
    A foreign correspondent’s report showed the Malay hooligans were detested by the law-abiding Malays of Kampung Baru.
    Internal security and home minister Tun Dr Ismail indicated that the Internal Security Act would be in future amended to “counter changing communist tactics”. It was disclosed that of the 3,699 arrested during the crisis, 952 were members of secret societies.

    May 24:
    Law and order has been re-established in Kuala Lumpur and the atmosphere in the town had improved. People were going back to work (in non-curfew hours) and the government offices were limbering into action. The curfew remained in force (from 3pm to 6.30am of the following day). The government was not ready to admit that it was armed Malay youth who had caused the disturbances.

    May 27:
    The Tunku was under pressure to resign as he was clearly incensed by foreign journalists’ speculations about his weakening position and got his private secretary to write a protest note to the BHC.

    May 28:
    A confidential report by the BHC to the FCO on this day observed the government’s attempts to blame the communists for the disturbances were an attempt to justify their new authoritarian powers.

    JUNE:
    The riots had been under control but they were still sporadic outbreaks of civil disturbances. A BHC report noted violence erupted again in one part of Kuala Lumpur on the night of June 28 and 29, a number of houses were burnt and the casualties were officially given as five killed and 25 injured. Some disturbances toward the end of June also involved ethnic Indians.

    JULY:
    Renewed trouble in which one policeman was killed was quickly stopped from spreading in Kuala Lumpur by positive police action.
    Tun Ismail’s firm stand in ordering the security forces to act firmly ‘without favour or discrimination’ to any communal group and the Tunku’s announcement of a National Goodwill Committee made up of politicians of all parties went some way toward allaying the fears of the people.
    Tun Ismail also revealed the total arrests since May now stood at 8,114, comprising people “from all the major racial groups”. Of these, 4,192 had been charged in court, 675 released on bail, 1,552 unconditionally released and 1,695 preventively detained.
    Situation in the Peninsula had improved substantially but tension remains high in sensitive areas of Malacca, Perak and Selangor.
    Tension had begun to ease until Malay agitation connected with Tunku’s return to a position of influence and the removal of Dr Mahathir Mohamad from Umno’s general committee on July 12 had heightened it again. Malay university students petitioned for Tunku’s resignation and demonstrated on the campus.

    http://malaysianunplug.blogspot.com/2007/05/may-13-dr-kua-kia-soongs-latest-book.html

    😀 peace

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  3. What led to May 13? Very simple – it was sparked by fascist elements of Umno led by Tun Razak. These Umno extremists felt threatened by the rise of Chinese political power led by Gerakan. It had to do something, and what better way than to instigate events which led to May 13. The events leading to the day of infamy were similar to the Night of the Long Knives in Nazi Germany in the 1930s when Nazi thugs razed Jewish businesses which ultimately led to Hitler’s final solution to the Jewish problem.
    May 13 was an excellent springboard to stage a putsch against Tunku. May 13 was and has since been used by Umno to cement its vice-like grip on the Malaysian polity. Today May 13 is always used as a tool by Umno extremists to bludgeon other races into submission.

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  4. @nstman: do u support the formation of an investigative Royal Commission?

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  5. Who Dare to say the Truth Avatar
    Who Dare to say the Truth

    The message is “clear” ….You have to vote for UMNO and its alliance in the next general election…….

    If not, another May 13 will occur in Malaysia …

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  6. Kamarul, do you seriously think a royal commission will get to the bottom of it? In malaysia, commissions of inquiry are a waste of time. Umno will never allow an independent inquiry into an event which was started by them.

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  7. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    Just to drop a quick one (^_^)

    Nice job Kamarul.

    However, if audits of corruptions can’t be done efficiently and openly, do you think that it is possible to even start an investigative Royal Commission on the even more sensitive issue like this?

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  8. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    Unspun, my entry not that sensitive right???? It’s been hijacked by ISA?

    Unspun: Even worse than the ISA. It’s Akismet, WordPress’s spam catcher, and it gets all the bad guys. It is so efficient it gets some of the good guys as well. Now don’t let the Special Branch know about Akismet or we’re all done for. (hope I’ve saved your comment, if not let me know)

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  9. @nstman: of course it will never get to the bottom of it, at least it will do some crack on it…Royal Commission is different from ordinary commissions of inquiry eg: Royal Commission on the police force, it did came up with some relevant suggestions…and of course u will say it was never being implemented by the government. at least some ppl get some idea out of it, right?

    common man, theres nothing to lose…although its only a small step but its better than none

    @Who Dare to say the Truth: im sorry for being such a slow reader…can u please explain more on what u mean? Thanx 🙂

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  10. Saya tidak begitu mengikuti sejarah politik di Malaysia, namun dalam perkara menutup-nutupi aib pemerintah di masa lalu, nah Indonesia dan Malaysia banyak kesamaan-nya. Barangkali bisa dikatakan mirip bagaikan saudara kembar 🙂 Peristiwa berdarah yang dikenal dengan “gula tiga puluh sekilo” atau G30S PKI contohnya, selama bertahun-tahun rakyat Indonesia dicuci otak untuk meyakini bahwa mereka adalah gerakan di belakang tewasnya tujuh jenderal pada tahun 1965 dulu. Tetapi setelah era kebebasan pers, sedikit demi sedikit muncul versi lain dari cerita-cerita yang sudah ditanamkan oleh pemerintah lewat pelajaran buku sekolah dan sebagainya. Kebetulan saya sempat bertemu dengan adik kandung tokoh PKI yang sangat terkenal itu (Sobron Aidit wafat di Paris bulan Feb 2007) pada saat beliau berkunjung ke Jakarta, dan juga dengan adiknya yang tinggal di Belanda. Bukan semata abang dan adik ketika saya berusaha menyelami seperti apa sih tokoh jahat yang selama ini ditanamkan dalam pikiran saya sejak duduk di bangku dasar pada saat bersekolah dulu. Namun rasa ingin tau tentang sejarah kelam yang menuntun saya untuk membaca lebih banyak dan bertanya pada sumbernya langsung yang juga merupakan saksi sejarah.
    Namun setelah 42 tahun kemudian toh yang namanya kebenaran itu tidak pernah terungkap. Kalau dipikir-pikir siapa yang mau jadi pahlawan kesiangan? Siapa yang berani mengatakan kebenaran dan tak gentar menangkis fitnahan? Jawabnya, tidak ada! Borok ini kan borok warisan. Orang yang seharusnya diadili dan mengadili dulunya sama-sama menggunakan asas manfaat. Situ untung, sinipun untung. Uang dan kekuasaan ternyata lebih kental daripada darah. Jadi apa yang harusnya dilakukan? Tetap eksis, tetap maju ke depan, tetap meneruskan cita-cita kehidupan.

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  11. @Vic.Kyle.Ellanne: got that, theres too many issues right now. others more possible are election commission, judiciary system, security, corruption etc… i think we better give the govern alot more…when it started to stack too high up…they have got to open up on at least one, they just have to pick any of these at last hehe 🙂

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  12. Dear Shamsul, 🙂
    i had aledy asked both of my parents as u asked me too. before that, i would like to say sorry for the words they used, it reflects their personal opinion on May 13, has nothing to do with degrading anybody…

    i showed Dr.Kua’s book (i did tell them Dr.Kua is from DAP) to them, here are their initial responses…

    1) my father just asked which chapter to read, i said chapter 3 matters most…then he just browsed through it and said…”can u pls sum up on chapter 3, as u know well i cannot read english! (Hehe as im so excited to see their responses, i totally forgot bout this 🙂 ) then i came up with the Bahasa version of declassified documents released by the British High Commission and then he said “this secular UMNO fascists just never learn, they are the culprit out of all” (FYI he never voted BN in his whole lifetime)

    2) my mom said she will read the book later, she just asked my dad what’s it all about, then my father start explaining to her the declassified doc in his own version (i bet u dont want to hear this 🙂 ). and then she said…”got to be 90% true”…then i wondered where goes another 10%…and suprisingly she said, “i bet 10%, UMNO did even worst” hehe 🙂

    and of course shamsul, u dont wanna to know bout whats their response after my mom read the whole book (later my dad did start to curse UMNO). um thats all, cheers man 🙂

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  13. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    He he, this is going to be fun. Let me see if I can find some views from Non-Malays although I may not publish it here.

    But a little question, do you think it’s logical for the minority Chinese to have caused a nation wide riot?

    I have a friend shared his experienced in Jinjang, they suddenly heard windows breaking sounds. When they came out to see what had happened, ****** started shooting.

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  14. @Vic.Kyle.Ellanne: logically of course not. but reality, everything is possible lah. if the ppl at that time did think logically, then this May 13 will never happen. becoz their brains were not thinking logical lah, it happened.
    eg: in Iraq, its the Sunni minority that started the civil war by bombing the Shiite Shrine first…

    like i said above, this book is nice to read. but it may have been more balanced if it gathers malays’ views on chinese role at that time. What DAP talk during its victory parade? although mostly dead are chinese, but some malays do claimed that its the chinese who started to kill indiscriminately. got one case in Kg.Baru i think, quiet famous among malays who know this. A third trimester pregnant malay lady had her abdomen tore apart with hangers by chinese rioter, her unborn baby bulged out, both died on spot due to heavy bleeding…

    now, these stories may/may not be true and im personally may/maynot agree with it or Dr.Kua. But unfortunately, these kinds of stories really give deep impact on our inter-racial sentiment. not to mentioned, mostly malays army shooting indiscriminately toward chinese shopkeepers. so which one start first, i think we will never know and shouldnot find out! in order to reduce the sentiment, i think its better to report both, without any bias to anyone…and that i believe can only be done by an investigative Royal Commission…

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  15. After reading the book, I asked a few older persons of what they remembered of 69. One gentlemen who used to be the Keeper of the Arms during Emergency, said that on May 12th, he was at a white man’s club in Kajang, and a Mat Salleh came in and said that there were some young man sharpening parangs at the back of the club. So this gentleman went out and asked them what were they doing. They said that the Man (who lives in Selangor Mansion, the house of the CM of Selangor along Circular Road) had asked them to gather at his place for a meeting and bring weapons. They left Kajang in 3 cars, and came back after 5 or 6 days in Army trucks. Perhaps the Army started sending people who didnt live in KL back, or something else happened.

    DAP, Gerakan, Labor & Socialist party members were to “loud” in their celebrations. But we had real democrcy & freedom in those days. Hence their actions probably violated people’s sensibilities.

    But do note that people mentioned that they were shot at, and these shootings were not from rioters.

    Unfortunately we are not ready for a Royal Commission which will highlight the real facts. By right, certain people should be hung due to their Seditious actions.

    Can I ask everyone to interview their old folks, and write their rememberances down? The day will come, when the abuses of 69 will be aired out. We must not loose these important data.

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  16. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    Dear Kamarul,

    What I mean is, if the Opposition had celebrated their wins in a certain places, how fast you think in that era that it could spread the words so fast to so many regions so far away that could gather so many armed Malays rioting. For example, DAP was celebrating in BukitBintang & thus offended Kg Baru, why Jinjang & Kepong which is at least 1/2 to 1 hour away also being attacked by the Malays and worse, the Police or Army?

    How many people could carry a gun during that time, especially sub machine guns, that many Chinese where shot at?

    Why would a Chinese want to go to a Malay densed Kampung to kill a pregnant woman(and by hangers??)? Even if he did, is it an individual doing or a group celebration? Can a group of Chinese celebrate in KgBaru in the first place?

    If there’s isn’t a plan riot, how could everyone reacted so fast? And there’s isn’t any bombing recorded in the first place, just verbal and maybe some vandalism at most!

    BTW, I never heard a state of emergancy transfers the PM’s power to his deputy. It’s always to the Army General – correct me if I’m wrong. Isn’t it obvious that it’s a power struggle and planned events to oust Tunku?

    And you know what, Chinese became the easy target! 2 (or even many) birds in 1 stone!!

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  17. Dear Nstman.

    Wow. What a wonderful theory. Actually I had heard it quite a number of times. You know a story about an impatient No2 to force his leadership in Malaysia by taking the premiership.

    But The late Tun Razak that I knew like what the elder generations are not like that. Yes, Perikatan fared badly. MCA was wiped out in Penang, leaving UMNO to represent Perikatan as an opposition. Yes, Perikatan almost lost control in Selangor. But it still ruled the country.

    The Malays blamed extremists Chinese during DAP procession. Unprintable insult were hurled at the Malays. You may not want to know what kind of insult that Malays suffered then. Suffice to say the thought of it easily bring hostility.

    DAP on the other hand blamed UMNO. Datuk Harun Idris in particular was blamed. His efforts to pacify Malays who were severely provoked by DAP was forgotten. The Chinese are fed with stories of how Tun Razak manipulated the situation to gain control at expense of Tunku.

    You said that Tun Abdul Razak was behind it. I am not so sure of it. The truth is that both Tunku, Tun were caught surprised at the clash. So were other leaders in UMNO. MCA and the world. The clash brought about changing of guards a year later.

    Tunku uses the excuse of his nephew, The Sultan of Kedah’s ascension as Yang DiPertuan Agung to resign. The truth is that he realized his time was over. Tun Abdul Razak took over and revived Parliamentary Democarcy later.

    Now, if what you said is correct, why Tun even bothered to revive democracy then., He was the Supremo. Nobody can oppose him then.

    As for Royal Commission, I am afraid only a moron administration would want to dig a painful history . Actually, they are not afraid. But do remember that May 13 was a black day for Malaysia. Why risk upsetting the current goodwill between the 2 races .

    Youy may not realize that actually UMNO or Malaysian Govt never blamed any race, be it Malay or Chinese for the racial clash. It just want to ensure that the clash does not happen again.

    Of course, Kua may want to forget about the insult hurled on Malays during May 13. The reason why I do not mention what were done to Malays is simple. It is part of age old wisdom called “jaga mulut”. Not because I or older Malays do not have the facts. We have the facts. We know what DAP did during May 13.

    It is just that sometimes there are things left unsaid. Of what good is the truth if it opens way for manipulation. As for Vic.Kyle, it does not take a minority to start a riot.

    It only takes one person to throw a stone at a person of another race to start a deadly clash. It just takes a cunning politician to oppose the relocation of a Chinese School in 2001( although the relocation was asked by the community itself) to bring the unitiated Western world to blame Malaysian Govt as trying to eliminate Chinese School.

    See my point. Why reopen the old wound. Even know, the Malays felt that Kua actually blamed them for the clash. Reading the comments make me wonders whether Malay politicians are that bad. Are they that bad when they played a role in ensuring MCA, MIC candidated win in Malay areas.

    Is UMNO that bad when now it can simply ignore other parties. Do not forget that even now it can rule many states on its own . It can simply declare to the whole world that Malaya then 1957 was a Malay country. Nobody can say anything jugding from history.

    It simply can close vernacular schools it it really wanted to do so. There are no other countries that give such a fabolous recognition to minorities. And look at numerous constituents that have Malay majority but given to non Malay candidates. Exm Kulim, Lunas, Gunung Semanggol, .

    I mean no disrespect to readers from Chinrse or Indian communities. The truth is that A malay politician is dreaming if he thinks he can win in non Malay constituency.
    .

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  18. @Vic.Kyle.Ellanne: agree, as i said before, nobody came out clean in May 13. Its the Royal Commission’s job to find out who are they, what they did and the effects toward the whole tragedy. by talking about this without bias to anyone, we can expect more ppl to understand this…and this is the only way to help us to reduce our inter-racial sentiment and hatred 🙂

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  19. Hi. I’m a Malaysian Chinese guy. The Chinese like to migrate to search for a better life. They generally avoid conflict & juz wan 2 make a living. But this is a general statement & doesn’t apply to all. With that said, frankly a Royal Commission could open a can of worms (provided the government was transparent enough) & may cause unrest if Malaysian aren’t ready for it. Young Malaysian Chinese are unhappy with a lot of current policies & a lot harbour feelings of emigrating in search of better prospects & opportunities elsewhere, thinking that it couldn’t be worse in Singapore, Hong Kong or US. Nearly 50 yrs on, the Malaysian Chinese are still not fully accepted as Malaysians. For a lot of us, a sense of love & belonging by our country is desperately needed. Being young, why not be adventurous & seek greener pastures.
    Wait a minute, why don’t we stay & fight for our beloved Malaysia? Because although we could try, it would take more than our lifetime, clearly more than 50 yrs, to probably, let our grandchildren see that happening. Young people have no patience eh?
    This is the situation now. We avoid conflict. I’m no fighter. I just want justice & a better life for myself & my family.

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  20. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    Dear Shamsul,
    Of all respect, I can’t agree with what you have said. It simply doesn’t make sense. I’m not sure were you get your facts or story or if you had experienced it yourself? How could you be so sure of everything you have said? I’m only trying to reason things out in my comment and I hope you could revert with some kind of facts or at least a rational counter on my pieces. Let me make clear, I’m not here to blame anyone nor to say who’s right or who’s wrong. Just hope to get a better understanding of the history so that the same mistake should not be twice. By simply hiding the facts or judge by emotion will not help anyone to learn.

    From your comment, I am confused and hope you could clear the questions below. I’ll go by sequence as your comment:

    (A) How sure are you that Malays didn’t hurled insults to Chinese? What type of verbal abuses call for killing in return? Can you justify that?

    (B) Why would Chinese wants Tunku to be ousted? Who fed the myth that TAR wanted Tunku out? Could the myth had started because TAR took command during the emergency? Why didn’t the call went to the premier or the Army general? Isn’t it the norm?

    (C) By being the PM, which already comes with the full power, why would TAR want to change the Democracy system since no one can go against him? Isn’t it stupid to challenge the Sultanate and loose the support of Malays? Or challenge the British after it agreed for your independence by democracy rule, not autocracy rule?

    (D) Since you are not sure about it, how come you are defending TAR so strongly? Let’s just say that he was indeed ignorant, could it be the UMNO people preferred him instead of Tunku and carried out the plan without his knowledge?

    (E) Haven’t I mention that armed “people” are shooting at innocent Chinese? What rational not to change the arm force? Unless you want to become a military power then you don’t.

    (F) Are you saying that under Tunku there’s no Democracy? Like you said, it’s an excuse that Tunku used to resign, what made him figured that he’s time was over? Was he too old or too weak?

    (G) Maybe you hadn’t notice, people still blaming each other’s race for the event and this wound can’t be healed if everyone still believe it’s Malay/Chinese fault. Just like you accused, DAP made insulting remarks but DAP and Gerakan is not a racial party, than why Chinese being victimised?

    (H) If the government/UMNO is not afraid, than why aren’t they being transparent? If you are innocent, you are not afraid to be questioned right? If you are going to answer me because of dignity, how you answer to denying another person’s dignity!!

    (I) I agree that the government wouldn’t want to dig up the issue again with chances of hurting the racial harmony (especially with the oppositions having nothing much to bring up recently), but they should start making modifications to the regulations set from the aftermath of it. Bring back some justice and fairness to people who wants to protect and build the country but denied the recognition and treatment.

    (J) I wonder what did the DAP did that caused the death of thousands of Chinese? Many innocent and many unarmed. I seriously hope you answer at least this question!! You say you have the fact, how you answer people are being shot at? Does your facts tells us who fired the shots?

    (K) In uncivilised world, people retaliate with violent. Maybe that best fits your explaination that one stone cause a deadly clash. However, what I asked is DAP won in KL, how you answer the killings in other places? Was it uncivilised or planned?

    (L) Isn’t it a political strategy to attack your opponent whenever it’s possible, irregardless the basis of the attack is right or not, as long as some people support the idea? For your information, not all Chinese supported the DAP moves. The location was not proper to have a school, but everyone forgotten that there are many low income families there that couldn’t support their children transportation to a further school and no one cared. That’s how DAP got the support, if the MOE had thought about arrangement for that, it could have been well avoided.

    (M) I’m not sure about you, but there’s a saying that there are 2 types of people you can never trust, lawyers and politicians. Kua has his agendas, but some facts can’t be denied unless it is never recorded, or you are suggesting that all the records given are fictions? Than why don’t you get an Umno guy to do the publish and see what comes out.

    (N) We are not saying Umno is bad, nor did we say it’s good. We are discussing what happened during 513. We are discussing if there was a conspiracy. BTW, the UMNO now is not the UMNO then, you forgotten Mahathir created a New UMNO?

    (O) It seems that you have high confident in UMNO which I really beg to differ. I would agree if you mention BN instead just UMNO. Yes, UMNO can rule a few states by it self but if not of BN, it will barely clinches on Penang, Kedah, Perlis, Kelantan, Terengganu, Sarawak and Sabah and most major cities. By the way you made your comment, you had simply denied the strengths of the other BN parties.

    (P) Even if UMNO had been able to declare Melaya by itself, I can assure you that it does not include any of the major cities then unless taken by force which I doubt the British would allow as they still have many interest in this region. Please keep your supremacy thinking aside, you started to sound like a Nazi.

    (Q) From what I recall, correct me if I’m wrong, all the 3 places you mentioned had almost equally divided Malays supporters and it’s important to get the non-Malay votes.

    (R) Let me know a Malay that is willing to fight strongly for non-Malays privilege and I assure you he’ll get his votes in any non-Malays constituent but not the Malays majority one! Get my point?

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  21. @Shamsul: I do agree with Vic.Kyle.Ellanne, we are here not to find whos right and whos wrong…if u have facts, just put up ur facts so that everybody can know… its abit irrelevant to claim that u have facts but u didnt show it and then u wanted us to believe u, it seemed a NEVER for me. i may/maynot disagree with Dr.Kua but until now i find NO reason for me to disbelieve his dispatches! just state ur facts and let us browsed it through, later we can decide whether ur facts are relevant enough toward this whole situation…

    u had this attitude of accusing others without substantiating, which im sure u need to change. i wanted to know what DAP said that justified murder against the chinese? why want to keep tight lips? for racial harmony? for God’s sake do u think the nonmalays are happy with what happened in May 13? what i know is that by keeping tight lip on this issue, its UMNO that gained alot!!! if im wrong, i dare u to prove im wrong…and proving is not just claiming, come up with facts man…its all that matters

    as i said before, nobody came out clean on May 13. i wanted to know what DAP said that caused murder against chinese was justified? and here i wanted to remind u shamsul, making accusations without proving it is called FITNAH, and i assume ur a muslim and im sure u know well making fitnah is far worse than killing right? Cheers man 🙂

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  22. Dear Vic. Kyle.

    Many thanks for the response. Rest assured that I am also not for racial blaming session. I criticize but I do not play to the gallery.

    However, I notice that you missed some point. I never said anything about Chinese wanted Tunku to be ousted. Tunku was then the prime Minister, the head of government. Election result then in 1969 I believed can be manifasted as his failure. Any leader with dignity and pride would consider the same.

    If I were to be the Prime Minister, I would also resign. There is nothing shameful about that. Graceful exit like what practised by late Tun Hussein, Tunku, and Dr Mahathir shows humility and dignity of a person. You may not realized that in some countries, leaders overstay eventhough it is clear to everybody in this world that he no longer gains support from the citizens of the country.

    SECOND, I never absolve some sections in Malay community from the incident, May 13. What I object is the BLAME MALAY ONLY as mentioned by Kua and followed Kamarul himself. With ease, Kua and Kamarul blamed Tun Razak and several Malay leaders, namely the then Menteri Besar of Selangor, Dato Haron Idris as powers to be behind the racial clash.

    I just asked one question that Kamarul is not able to answer. Did nobody inform him about the DAP procession that triggered the clash where the patience of the Malays were tested to the limit. DAP, so overwhelmed by the result that it was able to deny( not winning the election) the formation of a govt in Selangor made a procession that “no Malays would forget what hurled against them”.

    Is Kua blaming Dato Haron Idris on the procession?. Surprise is it not, He did not blame DAP. Where is the objectivity. Why Kamarul never mentioned anything about the procession. The answer is very simple. It lies in the psychology. You sieve through the info that you want. Info that does not fit your perception must not be considered.

    THIRD, many thanks for your reminder on fitnah. But I believe you and Kamarul and Kua himself need the reminder more than I do. I said it point blank to the face. You must understand the malay mentality. The Malay leaders have all the facts. They can list the facts if you ask them now. And It can be deadly to DAP. Make no mistake on that.

    Simply because they do not want to talk does not mean that they are afraid of the truth. Rather, are you Vic able to accept the truth. It is very painful. I did not mention the words hurled at the Malays as I do not want to reopen the old wound. That is all. This is a very Malay character.

    Why reopen the old stories, knowing very well that there are many people like Kua who can “manipulate” the stories of course to blame UMNO only. Another angle to be considered is the attitudes of the Malay “jaga mulut”. I am sure some Chinese community would be hurt if UMNO leaders start to list what DAP did during the May 13.

    Nobody blames the Chinese community. But I am sure a Chinese would feel uncomfortable when he realizes the truth about a political Chinese party’s “contribution” to May 13.

    That is what Malay leaders are reluctant to dig the old stories . As I said earlier, why reopen old baggage. Of what good is the naked truth if it can be manipulated( already manipulated by DAP) to create friction vs Malays and Chinese.

    And Kyle . it does not take a minority to create a racial clash. What makes a racial clash is seemingly innocent trigger happy person. Just mock Malaysia( and Malay of course) by one rude Malaysian just like what NamaWe did. The same goers for all races. Just throw a stone to a person of different race and it can lead to racial clash.

    As for unfair treatment, I know that feeling. I have seen that enough. How many of Malay workers’ treatment in private sectors. Of course, do not ask DAP about this.

    I am all for transparency. What I do not accept is lies hidden under freedom of press. And of course UMNO, is not perfect. It has some weaknesses just like other parties. No I do not sound like a Nazi. I just them how lucky they are as the dominant political party is led by a humble leader. “Habislah Malaysia ini” if UMNO behaves like “father and son co” , DAP.

    As for Chinese( with highest regards to them), it takes two to tango. Do not accept politicians from Jurassic Age who play to racial gallery( meaning blaming Malay) in order to stay in the news. If Chinese are willing to tolerate these leaders, then the Chinese must not expect Malays to be the scapegoat.

    As an example, the relocation of a chinese School in Damansara several years ago. How DAP manipulated the issue. The good intention of The Govt was hijacked as if it becomes the survival issue for Chinese School. The same goes for Wawasan School.

    In order for the Chinese to be treated with respect, they also must not tolerate( meaning keeping quiet) when extremists in their community plays the racial card.

    The same goes to Malays and other races.

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  23. @Shamsul: again its a repetition, u did not substantiate, u just mumbling around throwing unproven accusations…please cut the crap already

    u are the first one saying its the DAP procession that justified murder against the chinese and u wana me to prove, what is this? u are the one responsible for that statement and u didnt substantiate, u just skirted around without making any fact and then u started mumbling around over and over again, plus too many repetitions…

    so, Vic.Kyle.Ellanne im suggesting we just ignore this unproven accusation of his, unless he come up with facts okay. i saw nothing in his comments, so let us just throw it into sungai kelantan and we just looked at it drowning from the River View Hotel in KB hehe…No hard feelings shamsul 🙂

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  24. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
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    Dear Shamshul anuar,
    I can’t help to feel disappointed on your comment, you didn’t even bothered to answer at least one of my questions.

    Am I being too hard to be understood or you simply don’t want to answer me?

    If I haven’t made my stand clear enough that I’m not on either side & I’m too young to have any personal feelings about the events, please let me make clear now!

    Being a citizen of Malaysia, I think I have the rights to know what exactly happened that resulted today’s policies. Unless that you don’t think I deserve to be. I’ll stop posting here.

    You are basically acting like a parent telling your kids what he should know and do but refuse to tell them why and worse, you start to say lots of irrelevant things trying to justify your acts.

    You have used the word “jaga mulut” twice even without me provoking it? You went into defensive even when I’m not accusing you or UMNO.
    You started accusation when I’m not even defending the DAP.
    Everything you said you have facts which you “kindly” decline to reveal insisting that it hurts, either you let us decide if it hurts or you don’t bring the matter up at all!

    Everything you said before I raised a doubt hoping to be cleared by you but instead of explaining, I don’t know what you are trying to say. PLEASE NOTE THAT I’M NOT SAYING YOU ARE NOT TELLING THE TRUTH!!

    Off all issues, you’ll have to bring up NameWe. If you understood Chinese, he is merely stating some facts which were open taboos. He ignored the sensitivity but it’s the facts. I’m sure you’ll going to say a lot on this but sorry, not interested and not the right forum to discuss.

    You had brought up the SRJK(C) Damansara (not sure if u even knew which school) again after I explained it. Didn’t I mentioned already that DAP is using it to gain support?

    When someone doesn’t perform, he’ll be fired, but from your point of view, as long as it’s the Malays, it’s unfair to be fired?

    All I gathered from your comments is that DAP is the BAD guy. Fair enough, regardless you giving facts or not.

    All I wanted to know is what provoked the Malays so much that they (even the law enforcers) have to kill someone in return? If I’m not getting a proper answer or at least a rational opinion from you again, I’ll deem this forum a waste of time and an insult to my intelligent.

    Perhaps you are trying to explain with your below quote:
    ….. I just asked one question that Kamarul is not able to answer. Did nobody inform him about the DAP procession that triggered the clash where the patience of the Malays were tested to the limit. DAP, so overwhelmed by the result that it was able to deny( not winning the election) the formation of a govt in Selangor made a procession that “no Malays would forget what hurled against them”…..

    So you are saying that DAP is able to deny the Malays to set up the government in Selangor that made the Malays felt so humiliated which justify them to use violence and kill? If this is what you meant then I rest my case.

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  25. Shamshul annuar Avatar
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    Dear Kamarul.

    Now young man. there is no need to “misinterpret” what I said. Please tell me where did I said that Malays are justified to murder Chinese due to DAP procession? Please furnish me the evidence.

    I only said the factors that led to the racial clash. That is all. I was merely responding to you when you “ignorantly” told the whole world that Malay leaders plotted the clash.

    Judging from what you heard, I m afraid you do not know much. So, do not be so cocky young man. By all means go find the truth. Nobody is stopping you. I just want to caution you( sorry if you are offended) that you should be analytical especially if it it comes from a member of political party that Malays considers as enemy.

    So just be careful. You are still young. I am not looking down on you. I know what I am talking about. I am not in the mood for blaming session. I do not sanction racial clash as much I do not tolerate biased reporting.

    Similarly, I also would like you to ignore the unproven allegation vs Dato Harun, Tun Razak. You must understand that for some people or reporters, being a Maly means that you are guilty.

    As for facts, they are there before you. It is just that you refuse to see things that do not conform to your view.

    I ask you again, young man. Are you aware about DAP procession that provoked the Malays to the extreme. And please do read carefully. Nowhere in my writing that I said cruelty is justified, be they are committed by Malays or Chinese or anybody.

    Both Malays and Chinese were killed during the clash. Both becomes victims.

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  26. Dear Vic. Kyle.

    Please “enlighten” me when did I say that as long a person is a Malay, he could not be fired if he did not perform.

    And you are wrong. Boy, I really overestimate your ability to understand basic English. I said that DAP, so overwhelmed by strong performance in Selangor( but has yet to gain sufficient seat to form the govt) made a procession. During the procession, the extremist elements in DAP mocked, insulted Malays. In front of Selangor Menteri Besar residence, some rude members of DAP showed their private parts to member of Menteri’s Besar household.

    I did not say that the performance of DAP in the election triggered the clash. But when some members of DAP showed broomsticks as if to chase the Malays, all hell broke loose.

    By the way, for once you are right. To Malays, DAP “contribute ” to the racial clash. DAP to Malays is the bad boy in the clash. Please do not misinterpret this as a anti Chinese sentiment. I have many Chinese friends. They are wonderful people. .

    As for Namawe,the Malays feel that he is rude. Plain rude. And he is playing with fire by mocking a religion. Please do not assume that Malays do not know what he said.

    As for “jaga mulut”, I was not referring to you. I just explain Malay mentality. Be careful with what you( meaning what a person ) said. Imagine the disaster would take place if a Malay reacted by mocking Chinese like what Namawee did. Imagine the tense should Malay leaders proclaimed to the world about how they felt ( with evidence) about what DAP did during May 13. What would the Chinese community feel. Under siege.

    And you have the right to know. But do remember that this discussion started when an ignorant boy, Kamarul blamed Malay leaders on May 13. I was responding to him. I just caution him on the “facts” that he did not know. For example, is he going to blame Datuk Harun Idris on DAP procession that provoked the Malays.

    What I am trying to do is to elaborate the views of the Malays. You know the race that Kamarul blamed. I was just showing him another angle. Of course, Vic, you will not know this from DAP.

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  27. Dear Vic. Kyle.

    I reread your comment. Where do you get the idea that Tunku was against Democracy. I did not say that.

    What I said was that Parliament was suspended after May 13. Malaysia was then ruled by mAGERAN( Majlis Gerakan Negara) led by Tun abdul Razak. To the Malays, May 13 is a manifastation of failure of Tunku’s govt. Hence, the end of Tunku’s premiership.

    Later, Tun Abdul Razak revived parliament. The question of being old was not an issue here. Tunku realized that May 13 signalled the end of his era. In humility he resigned. A graceful exit I can say.

    I feel that sometimes the the discussion is out of hand. I am afraid you are not that familiar of a very Malay’s trait. Sometimes, all the evidences are not furnished as Malay leaders feel there is no need to dig into old wound, and in the process hurting the sentiments of many communities. To Malays this is not the sign of weakness, rather the strengh of character.

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  28. @Shamsul: well then, its easy right? u just tell us the story and thats it, no need to mumble around as if im ur son watsoever, i had my own parents (both of them are over 50s) and im very2 sure they are more enlighten than u r, so stop acting like a father, i really dont need it here man

    Hooonnnnkkkkk! Another unproven accusation from u, i never in my whole lifetime blaming any race for this lah man wake up. and now it seemed u have been happily continuing to put up unproven accusation here, especially against me, so im demanding an apology coz u accused me for bringing up “dirt ass malay” in the first place (mike did it, not me). if u dont come up with an apology, im treating this as a fitnah…

    well then, u told us about DAP ppl showing off their broomstick to then Selangor Menteri Besar Dato’ Harun Idris. now if u read Bobsam comment here https://theunspunblog.com/2007/10/28/readers-request-may-13/#comment-26955
    it proved that the Selangor Menteri Besar did try to assemble fully armed malay youth at his residence even before May 13, its May 12 man…so if u are trying to say its DAP’s broomstick that provoked the clash, i say i cant be coz the Selangor Menteri Besar aledy planning for an attack man…so that fact of ur is irrelevant in this context unless u can come up with another thing man…

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  29. Dear Kamarul.

    No. I dont even dream to act like your father. So, no need to worry about that. If you want to be respected, then you have to earn it and not behaving like a spoilt child. It is that simple.

    And I do not have to come up with ‘another thing’. I said the truth. Whether you want to believe is another story. Your “biblical theory” of course is mere creation to purposely ( the theory was not new though) put the blame on UMNO and Malays. In other words, after the procession, DAP can conveniently put the blame on UMNO( read the Malays).

    As for the allegation vs Dato Harun Idris, one Malay who contested in the previous General election under DAP ticket said the same thing. He made the news of course. Unfortunately, he lost as the malays did not believe him. Except you of course.

    By the way, you have yet to answer my question. Are you aware of DAP procession prior to the clash? Of course, how naive of me to expect an answer from you.

    Open your heart, young man. If you really want to know the truth, remove the prejudice. You took the allegation vs Dato Harun idris as a biblical truth. Maybe you should check your facts first.

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  30. @shamsul: im glad u said so but um not acting as my father? whats ‘spoiled child’ is all about? oh now i got it, just becoz im questioning UMNO, im a spoiled child is it? (well if everybody who questioned UMNO is wrong, cannot even question in the first place, this seemed to be real fascism) i dont know any bout that malay DAP guy really, so how im gonna believe him right? and im VERY2 sure, im not the only one blaming UMNO.

    so now what ever DAP did in their procession, im asking u a simple Q man, does this granted the then Selangor MB right to gather young malay men equipped with parangs and bamboo spears? now this mayb not true but um u are not giving me anything to disbelieve it.

    my heart is not open huh? i dare enough to Q UMNO role in May 13 not open enough? how about ur heart, enough opened aledy huh? until now u are being an orator, forcing ur thinking to be accepted by others but u urself didnt explain. now this seemed to me that ur heart is not opened enough man…i didnt say the allegation vs Dato’ Harun is biblical truth right? but i said theres NOTHING said/proved by UMNO/u/whosoever for me to disbelieve it lah man…open ur heart first b4 u ask others to open their heart… 🙂

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  31. Where is fairness and justice ? What use is the truth when not acted upon ? Now we know what may 13 is all about we might as well forget the past and look forward to the future. But I don’t see the goverment policies being fair to non bumiputra inspite of 50th merdeka. For one thing even being a third generation I am not a bumiputra. There are others with 4th and 5th. Those in Sabah and Sarawak are bumiputra. Why can’t we think as one nationality – Malaysian and equality to all. Malaysia not cosist of Malay, Chinese and Indians but also Dayak, Iban, Etc.

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  32. Dear Kamarul.

    Again. Many thanks for your response. And who gives you the idea that questioning UMNO is equivalent to a spoilt brat. Did I say that? Not that I know of.

    My view is very consistent and clear. Both Malays and Chinese were then at each other’s throat during that period( after the election in 1969). Both were killing each other. Both became victims.

    It was a tragedy for Malaysia. There is no denying about that. What exactly happened on May 13. Several days earlier election was held . MCA fared badly. It was wiped out in Penang completely. Only UMNO held the fort for Perikatan. The result saw changing of guard in Penang. Gerakan took over the Chief Minister Post. Later under the premiership of Tun abdul razak , Gerakan joined the enlarged coalition, renamed as Barisan National.

    In Selangor, the election result saw no single party emerged as a clear winner. Both Perikatan and opposition won equal seat. Thus the attention was focussed on the sole independent. Only when the independent joined Perikatan that a state govt was formed.

    The Malays took that the election as a failure of Tunku’s leadership. Tunku was a honest leader, and a humble lot. But many Malays felt that he made a mistake by recognising the independence of Singapore from Malaysia and not doing much for Malays.

    Whether the view is valid is another story. But that was then the view of majority of Malays. May 3 signalled the end of Tunku’s era. he realized that and graciously resigned a year later, one day after his nephew , The Sultan Of Kedah becamed the 5th Yang DiPertuan Agung.

    Many factors contributed to the tragedy. The political temparature was high then. Major races , Malays and Chinese were both not satisfied. Malays felt very difficult not to blame Tunku for releasing Singapore. They pleaded heavily to UMNO leaders not to do so . But Tunku was also in dilemma. He was not willing to abandon MCA for PAP.

    PAP promotes “Malaysian Malaysia”. To the Malays, actually it was “Chinese Malaysia”. Malays are upset that their sense of “tolak ansur” was not considered. Some Chinese , encouraged by PAP, began to question the understanding between Malay and non Malay leaders prior to independence.

    MCA was also caught in difficult position. It was considered “weak” by some Chinese for its alliance with UMNO. It was regarded as subservient to UMNO.

    An UMNO member was killed then. Although tense, malays did not want to “add oil to raging fire” and proceeded to performed funeral rite quietly. A Chinese was also killed, but a procession was held in an already tense situation.

    The truth was that Tunku , Tun Razak and many Malaysian leaders were caught of guard. DAP, encouraged by its performance( although not sufficient no form a state govt in Selangor) made a procession. Unfortunately, the procession went haywire. The permitted route was not followed. Instead, these already over excited procession detoured to Kampung Baru, a Malay majority area.

    The result was a disaster. Malays were severely provoked. Huge replica of broomsticks were shoved to them, as is to chase them. That was the last straw. Another group of Chinese( please do not assume that I blame Chinese or Malay) went to the official residence of Menteri Besar of Selangor and rudely showed their private parts besides asking Malays to “pack off” as now DAP was to form the state Govt.

    I gathered all these facts from old Malays, Indians, some Chinese friends. Kua in his book concluded that May 13 was a stage show by Tun Razak to unseat Tunku. Why Tun Abdul Razak was blamed. Did he ask the procession to provoke the Malays?. DID he tell DAP to ask Malays to vacate the official residence of Menteri Besar of Selangor?.

    That was why I objected when you “whole heartedly believed him”. Why would Tun stabbed Tunku at his back when the Malays knew him as a loyal and humble leader. Tunku also admitted that he realized that one day he must go. And why Tun need to do that when his ascension to the Prime Ministership was secure .

    And why also Datuk Harun Idris implicated. I asked you the same question. Did he ask DAP to “detour” to Kampung Baru to incite the Malays. So who was to blame here. Who provoked who?.

    Tunku in his book “Before and after May 13” said that he realized why then Prince Norodom Sihanouk sometimed did not allow foreign reporters to Cambodia as many times they lied . Tunku was referring to TIMEs magazines that reported the tragedy as if it was going for weeks and govt lost control of situation.

    Contrary to what you said, UMNO is not afraid . It does not cover anything about May 13. It did not blame Malays or Chinese for the racial clash. What UMNO or Malays ( exclude you and people of your pedigree) is the attempt to put the blame squarely on Malays.

    You, being a young man, of course does not understand the wisdom of not opening the old wound. it takes time to heal. Why dig at it again. Be careful, as sometimes the “truth” was merely a facade to put the blame on UMNO or the Malays.

    With ease you accepted what Kua said and then started to ridicule UMNO. That was why I cautioned you. Jugding from what you said, I understand that you do not know much.

    UMNO may not want to appoint a Royal Commission to dig at old stories. But in magnamity, it also does not stop any attempt to discuss the racial clash. If I were to be the PM, I will also not set a Royal Commission . Why reopen the old wound.

    Even, now Kua concludes that it was UMNO to be blamed. But of course, he was silent and did not implicate DAP on this. Where is the objectivity. Simply because UMNO leaders are quiet do not mean that UMNO is hiding the truth. It is a Malay character not to incite the feeling. One UMNO leader told me detailed stories of what happened.

    It was a revisit to horror movie. Only that they adopt the attitudes “let bygones be bygones”. Mere mortals only need to learn from the clash. That unbridled expression can be deadly.

    By the way, you are right. You are not the only one who blamed UMNO. Being a Malay means to some people you are guilty. DAP of course put the blame on UMNO. That much I know.

    As for the allegation vs Dato Harun, according to Tunku and Tun , he was not guilty. Yes, Malays assembled at his residence. They were anxious lot, not knowing whether the the only party that protect them was able to lead the state. Of course, it would be a disaster to expect DAP to care for them.

    But it was not Datuk Harun Idris who organize the rampage. The situation was almost out of control. Malays, felt insulted went on rampage. Chinese, feeling already in power, showed broomsticks to malays and also killed some Malays.

    And the result was a disaster. And everybody lost due to uncontrolled emotions.

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  33. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    EH? My last comment still missing.

    Anyway, Dear Shamshul Anuar, I see your point but still too little info to judge anything. Hopefully we got someone else that could give another perspective.

    Actually not really want to judge anything but just want to know what happened and hopefully with the knowledge, it can’t be prevented and not repeated. You see, knowledge = power. If the government had been honest/transparent in reporting the incident, we will know that the racial tension is still unstable and we will know that we still need to be more sensitive to each another and there will be less remarks about racial issues.

    Look at our minister, every now and then they must come out with some sort of racial remarks. Can’t we just be united as Malaysian? The way many minister made it sounds more like Malay’s Nation?

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  34. @Vic: agreed. shamsul can u pls tell us more story, i wana to know ur side of the story too. anyway i would like to congrat BERSIH for the successful yellow walk… 🙂

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  35. Dear Vic. Kyle

    Thanks for the response. They say it takes two to tango. I have no intention to blame Chinese or Malays for the tragedy( May 13). Certainly it is ridiculuous to put the blame on a race for actions of few extremists who happen to come from Malay or Chinese community.

    Malaysians are for Malaysia. I merely cautioned the young man, Kamarul, on the “other side “or the story. With ease he accepted what Kua wrote , easily putting the blame on Malays ONLY.

    That is what the Malays object. As for UMNO or the Govt, the intention is very clear. Why dwell into the past when the challenges of the future is real. The govt is transparent in this tragedy. Unfortunately, being a Malay sometimes mean that you are already guity from the Western world view.

    You can see how Kua ” interpreted” the clash. The conclusion is very simplistic. It is the Malays who were blamed. So much for objectivity.

    And you also cant deny that not only Malays who play to racial gallery. I have ample evidence of how some Chinese politicians also play to the gallery. Just drive along Jln Maharajalela and you see how proudly a building reminds Malaysians on number of days a school is closed. And how does the Malays interpret this. That Chamber of Commerce is playing to the gallery.

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  36. @shamsul: a little correction. i said aledy i may/maynot agree with Dr.Kua. but i found nothing to disbelieve it esp the declassified doc by BHC…

    i restate again, of course Dr.Kua’s conclusion is very simplistic but im sure he did not blamed malays, he blamed UMNO lah man

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  37. Dear Kamarul.

    No. This is not my story. These are the stories from living witnessess. Only many of them are reluctant to speak. As one of them said “why revisit the painful memory”.

    Knowing the past is good. But certainly objectivity is important. Merely publishing a book simply to implicate a race and ( absolve’s one own race) will simply invite objection from the other party. At least that is what vast majority of Malays think.

    And I hope my small contribution will “enlighten” all of us. May we realize that unlimited freedom is a sure recipe for disaster.

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  38. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    Haiya, that’s because the DAP got nothing in their sleeves already. Ha ha.

    But I do have to admit that many people still very narrow minded la. Otherwise, Tun Mahathir’s “Malaysia Boleh” already made Malaysia one of the first world country.

    Sadly to agree with Pak Lah that BN still couldn’t be united as 1 entity but a group of racially defined parties.

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  39. Dear Kamarul.

    Of course he blamed UMNO. Do you expect him to blame DAP on the tragedy. This is a common tactic. What better way to absolve DAP on this tragedy than to put the blame on UMNO.

    As if the Malays do not know nature’s of DAP.

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  40. Dear Vic. Kyle.

    If we want to develop the real unity, then we must be truthful. Are you willing to accept one single school system for all Malaysians. As the Malays say ” Melentur buluh biarlah dari rebungnya”.

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  41. @shamsul: thanks for admiting that u r mistaken. he blamed UMNO not malays. and UMNO is not syn. with malays right?

    i do believe that discussing on this matter is the principle of interracial harmony. the more we kept quiet on this matter, the more the nonhealing wound will undergo malignant changes…turning into cancer, later very hard to cure one…. hehe

    not opening old wound is when the wound is aledy healed. but i dont see that this wound is healed. we should debride the wound, clean it and dress it in proper manner…thats why im suggesting a royal commission. we get those ppl from various institutions to involve…political/not, academician/not, even living witnesses

    believe me keeping the nonhealing wound untouched is far more dangerous than opening up this nonhealing wound….

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  42. Vic.Kyle.Ellanne Avatar
    Vic.Kyle.Ellanne

    Dear Shamshul Annuar,

    I have an idea but it’s a pretty taxing one.
    Let us all learn BM and English as these are the National Language and International Language. Then like the Agama school, the mother language session in the afternoon – where there could be 3 div as in Agama(Jawi), Mandarin & Tamil. As for the religion class, Moral/Agama should be replaced by religion and civic teaching. As for those who still prefer there vernacular studies could go for private schools. School teacher should be teaching subjects they best at, not as the principle likes it (I know from my teacher friend that’s what happening).

    Not a complete picture in my mind but that’s the principle behind my idea.

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  43. @Vic, Shamsul: watch/dl 10 tahun sebelum merdeka here http://www.10tahun.blogspot.com/ we can get who incite the interracial strains first

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  44. Dear Kamarul.

    I am afraid you do not get my point. Healing takes time. What I am stressing is a very simple idea. Why revisit the painful episode when the challenges are very real , before our own eyes.

    As for the May 13, it resulted in Dasar Ekonomi Baru, a sort of social engineering, of course condemned by Western world but nevertheless not an alien concept albeit a different name there.

    As for those who played to the gallery, they comes from many races. It reminded me on the incident in one bank several years ago whereby all of those who did not get bonus are Malays, prompting a staff to complain to Bank Negara. Finally the bank relented and gave bonus to its Malay employees.

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  45. Dear Kamarul.

    They say “tersurat dan ada yang tersirat”. What Kua did not say out loudly is that UMNO ( read Malays) was to be blamed on May 13. You of course, being a young man, may not understand what he tried to say. That Malays who created May 13.

    To the Malays, he is biased.

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  46. Dear Vic Kyle.

    Yes. BN is a group of racially defined poltical parties. But at least we should be thankful that UMNO which has half of Member of Parliaments does not attempt to sideline other parties. It still consider the interests of other races.

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  47. Dear Shamsul,
    My only interest here is to know what happenned and why/what it resulted todays policies and people mindset.

    Althought I hated history in school but I come to understand that by learning from the past, one can make a better future by not reapeating the mistake.

    So I must beg to differ for not digging up the issue. It must be looked into objectively, not finger pointing, then people will remember not to forget how it happenned and learn to tolerate each other’s cultures.

    I have no interest to know who is right or wrong but just to know what caused it and how it can be prevented happening again.

    And maybe you hadn’t noticed, some policies resulted by it has driven our talents and investment away and no matter what goodies the government pormises, they refuse to take because there’s this issue of fairness and trust.

    Maybe the people here is not ready for this thinking yet, perhaps that’s why you being defensive in this issue.

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  48. I’m not going to defend the bank but I must ask wether the bank has been fair in giving out it’s bonuses based on merit and job performance or is it just a racial bias? Do you have that information?

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  49. @Shamsul: I agree with Vic. By not discussing on the problem in a proper manner does nothing good for healing. believe me its not healing, its getting worse, its turning into a malignant tumor, a silent killer right in the heart of our society. can u pls ask those chinese within my age range? they feeled sidelined, dicriminated etc…

    and im asking who didnt make this things worse? even UMNO, with its virtuous youth chief violently showing off to bath his so called keris keramat with chinese blood. and who didnt watch that? Hes the education minister man, being televised to the whole nation, what will these chinese youngers, kids will think? For God’s sake, the wound will heal?

    By keeping tight lips, UMNO continues to benefit by making continuous provocations against racial sentiments among malays, chinese and also indians. to place itself as a heroic defender of malays, laundering support from far-right voters

    and while it had benefited alot by keeping the tight lips, and making sure everybody else donot talk about it. it had turned out to be the most dangerous silent killer right in the heart of our society. by continuing to do so, im sure another one will follow sooner rather than later…

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  50. Dear Kamarul.

    Many thanks for your response. My point is very simple. May 13 took place more than 3 decades ago. Everybody then gave their views,some skewed and some objectives.

    The views are already known. For people on the streetslike my father who witnessed the madness, May 13 was a manifastation of unbridled freedom. It was the manifastation of how anger can destroy.

    As for the Govt, it takes a wise move not to put the blme on either Malays of Chinese although there are elements within these 2 communities who were guity then. To the world( meaning Western Press), definitely the guilty party must be Malay or UMNO.

    Please tell me why Royal Commission is required now? What facts that are not known now? Have you not asked living witnesses on the tragedy. What was it that you are not satisfied with all the explanation given.

    The truth is that for some people, a conclusion had already been made. Therefore, no amount of explanation is enough. You said that “its turning into a malignant tumour…”. I am not so sure of that. Did Malaysian Govt everyday chastise a particular community over this tragedy. Are people of your own rac talk about May 13 everyday, blaming Chinese everyday in their conversation. Were many Chinese detained simply because of a tragedy that took place more than 36 years ago.

    Was DAP banned because of the tragedy. Are the Chinese banned from economic activities because of May 13.

    And what is it with keris that you ( or some Chinese are so afraid of). Keris is a symbol of sovereignty, strenght, pride and dignity. What is wrong with reemphasizing these values. Did Hishamuddin declare war on Chinese by kissing a keris.

    And watch your words. You said ” …Keris keramat with Chinese blood”. What is that supposed to mean. Why are you twisting the fact, young man. Did he say or imply that he “wants to bath the keris with Chinese blood”. No. So, why conclude something that everybody knows is not the truth.

    They say it takes two to tango. The way you talk imply that UMNO is so bad. Really? And why still Chinese politicians can win in Malay majority areas. You know places like Kulim, Lunas,Sungai Siput, Gunung Semanggol.

    And did UMNO leaders played to the gallery when a rude boy, Namawee insulted Islam, mocking Muslim ladies wearing tudung , making fun with azan. Why don’t you register the unhappiness of the Malays to your Chinese friends, making them realize that they also must play their part on unity.

    Why is it that Malays or UMNO always blamed on racial prejudice. Are you nbot aware on how Malays are treated in some private sectors.

    Contrary on what you said, everybody can talk in Malaysia. What UMNO and Malays( except people like you) oppose are simply people who blame Malays ONLy on this tragedy. You know, people like Kua. His conclusion is simple. It is UMNO ( read Malays) who plotted the tragedy.

    You said “… to place itself as a heroic defender of Malays”. The truth is that vast majority of humble Malays ( unfortunately not vocal ) see UMNO that way. They consider UMNO as their defender. That is the reason why vast majority of Malay voted for UMNO in last election.

    Their reason is simple and practical. UMNO, despites its warts and all does deliver. Its record is proven. You said ‘…laundering support from far right voters”. Wow, so much patronising words. Laundering. Wow. Begitu hina orang Melayu pada pandangan anda.

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  51. Dear Viv. Kyle.

    Yes. I have the info. The bank was asked by Bank Negara over its racially based decision. Unable to explain why only Malays not given bonuses, it was obliged to finally give bonus due to Malay staff.

    My point is very simple. Racial prejudice affects everybody. Malays are also affected. I am all for elimination of these kind of attitudes.

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  52. Dear Unspun, my piece being too sensitive again?

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  53. Kamarul! u still in this thread?

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  54. yeap, y?

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  55. Kamarul : u were saying u r medical intern, got somthing to ask u. Can get your contact?

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  56. kampung apek says Avatar
    kampung apek says

    salam, ni hau ma, vannukam, apa khabar malaysians.

    dear respected bloggers/visitors/commentars

    looking at the current political situation right now,I’m about
    75>% sure that the same thing like 13th may might happen again.13th macrh 2008,maybe?

    HINDRAF,a new malaysian malaysia slogan aka Bangsa Malaysia, affirmitive discrimination policies by bumiputra-lead government against non-bumis followed by similiar dicsrimination of the majority of malay workers by non-malay private companies,DAP with its racial slurs,PAS with its talibanness and finally an irrelevant,inconsistent flip-flop party,the PKR and its “de fecate” leader anwar the speaking chameleon.

    Malaysia is a fragile country, yet it is still surviving since its independence 50 years ago until now.Unlike the United States and Singapore where the dominant race aka the whites and chinese control both political and economic power,the situation in malaysia is quite different;the malays are still holding the political power,and the economic power is still in the hands of the chinese.The indians,in other hand are unable to compete equally with these two giants, and thus are left behind.

    In my humble opinion, true multi-racial unity could only be achieved if we can elaminate the identification of any races in malaysia based on their social status,education or wealth.We cannot allow a situation where only one race is enjoying prosperity and wealth while others are just merely watching.In fact,the economic cake of malaysia must be fairly distributed,so nobody feels that he/she is being discriminated and abandoned by his/her own country.Tun Abdul Razak,after the bloody 1969 racial riot had realized about this fact,and thus he implemented NEP in order to correct the imbalances of economic status between poor bumiputra and rich non-bumiputra,only to be spoiled and misused by greedy,oppurtunistic UMNOputras for their own self-enrichment.Curse to this brats for contributing to the failure of NEP and recent racial tensions.

    until all malaysians are truely equal in terms of basic rights,education and wealth,only then the true unity of malaysians as one will become a reality.If not,then don’t mimpilah untuk jadi bangsa malaysia.

    I will always pray to the god that there will be no more racial clashes in this country.

    happy voting & undilah…………..rahsia

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