How did Saiful get access to the DPM at home?

July 4, 2008

Something not very right here.

The pertinent question to ask is who is Saiful in the normal heirachy of things that he can have access to the DPM? There must be thousands of people each day who want to see the DPM for this or that matter but they are turned away – unless they are someone within the Umno or Government hierarchy or have some well connected friends in the right places.

So what makes Saiful so special to be granted an audience with the DPM, at his residence no less. Unspun doubts that if he showed up at Najib’s house he would be given even an audience with the houseboy, unless Malaysian ministers have suddenly become kinder, gentler creatures overnight.

For a similar but eloquent view see here

Tok Mommy: Najib admits meeting with Saiful: “Najib admits meeting with Saiful
Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak today admitted that Saiful Bukhari Azlan met him a few days before the latter lodged the police report against Parti Keadilan Rakyat de facto leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim for alleged sodomy, according to a Malaysiakini report (Najib mengaku jumpa Saiful & DPM admits meeting sodomy complainant)
Menurutnya, Saiful menemuinya beberapa hari sebelum membuat laporan polis tersebut, bercerita mendakwa dia telah diliwat oleh Anwar.

‘Saya mula-mula tidak berapa yakin dengan ceritanya. Saya menerima kedatangannya atas sifat saya seorang pemimpin.

‘Dia datang beberapa hari lalu, sebelum laporan polis dibuat. Dia datang kerana mahu pertolongan dari saya,’ katanya sambil menambah, Saiful kenal salah seorang pegawainya.

Translation

(According to him, Saiful met him a few days before lodging the police report, claiming that he had been sodomised by Anwar.
‘Initially I was not quite convinced of his story. I accepted the meeting in my capacity as a leader.

‘He came a few days ago, before the police report was lodged. He came because he wanted me to help him,’ he said adding that Saiful knew one of his officers.)

Now, why did the DPM withhold this piece of information? This question was posed by Rockybru on his blog .”

(Via .)

unspun

Indonesia

16 responses to “How did Saiful get access to the DPM at home?”

ReeWoo

July 4, 2008 at 10:23 am

Of course Saiful would have set an appointment or through the one of Najib’s ‘pegawai’. He wouldn’t simply walk in front of DPM’s house and ask to be granted to see the DPM in person.

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Francis

July 4, 2008 at 2:11 pm

ReeWoo, he he, you are either a dimwit or a buffoon beyond salvation point. May be you should answer the following questions;
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1. Mr DPM, it is known that even a cabinet minister can’t see you unless he/she goes through appointment, time and phone calls. Why is it so easy for unknown dropout to have a meeting with you at your private residence?

2. If he was “traumatized” (he he), does that mean every traumatized Malaysian has an easy access to your home and time? I’m traumatized, can I come now?

3. Why did he chose you? Why not the PM? Ahmad Zahidi, the Religion Minister? Zaid Ibrahim, the Law Minister? Karpal Singh, the senior lawyer? Ustadh Hadi Awang, the Politician and PAS Leader? TG Nik Azziz? The Selangor Mufti? The Perlis Mufti? The ACA? The Police? His Parents? His Fiancee? UMNO Youth? Foreign Embassies? Why did he chose you alone? And why is it so easy for him to meet you even in your highly guarded private home where you rest after work while evn MPs can’t meet you there?

4. You denied seeing, meeting him on Monday. You said he has only met your officer for scholarship purposes (though he has one and left it). What happened to that statement? Why did you buckle?

5. The boy said he was sodomised one day before he lodged the police report, (Thursday), but you met him earlier and you said he came to complain of sodomy. This means he went to Anwar after meeting you to be sodomised again. You met him when Anwar was in the Holy City of Medina with Dr Aziza performing Umrah, when they came back on Wed. afternoon, the boy said he was sodomised on Thursday. But the boy has been meeting you before. Don’t you think you have sold out your very self?

6. You “told” the boy that it was “up to him”, in case he wanted to file a police report about the sodomy charge. (He he). But Mr DPM you know that sodomy is criminal even if it is out of consent. So how can you fail to order him to seek redress in a court of justice in relation to a crime? Is that’s how you want to lead the nation?

Related:

Malaysia’s leader-in-waiting (Asiatimes)

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/HJ17Ae01.html

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wand

July 4, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Francis you are even a bigger baffoon. Yes it’s true that it is not easy to see ministers.

But it is not who you are but what you can offer. Saiful could easily have informed Najib’s officers or bodyguards to arrange meeting with the DPM.

If something so valuable – allegation of sodomy against Anwar who has been attacking Najib over the Altantuya case – I too would be interested to meet the boy.

Why najib not other ministers? Why not Najib. This guy has been in the firing line of Anwar. It is only natural that I would go to Anwar’s enemy. Remember “your enemy is my enemy”

As to the chronology, we have only heard talk. Nothing has been establish yet. investigations still on. relax lah.

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wand

July 4, 2008 at 3:33 pm

Unspun, you were a journalist once. you know how easy it is to see a minister outside of his home. even mahathir and now abdullah, anyone can walk up to them a pass a note.

hello, the way you talk, like you so naive lah. come one . we know where you coming from Ong. you have always been anti government since the star days.

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ReeWoo

July 4, 2008 at 4:21 pm

thank you very much wand…
that’s exactly what i’ve been trying to convey.
it’s not who you are, but if you are in possession of a valuable and important news or matter of course any minister will gladly invite you over to talk about it.
that is how Saiful got to see Najib. To talk about anwar n maybe to ask for protection.

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wah wah

July 4, 2008 at 5:10 pm

A uni dropout can just walk into the DPM’s office asking for scholarship. Wow! There is hope yet for thousands of more deserving students whose applications were rejected.

I just love this new government. Does away with red tape completely. I think Hishamuddin will be losing his job soon.

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unspun

July 4, 2008 at 5:45 pm

@Wand: When a journalist long ago I did not know it was easy for anyone to have access to minister, unless he was a journalist like perhaps you are, Wand.

Maybe I was not a good journalist or the type that you were, who was good at ingratiating yourself to politicians.

The point here, however, is the question: who is Saiful and what is claim to fame to allow him ready and easy access to the DPM?

There’s been a suggestion he gained access because he had some dope on Anwar. Have you any idea how many cranks and copycats high-level politicians have to deal with everyday?

On the anti-government bit: Wand, wand. You should learn in your advanced years not to resort to labeling as a means of argument. Let’s take the arguments and questions raised on their merit instead of dismissing them because it came, where you are concerned, from an “anti-government” source. Childish, unskilful and dishonest argumentation here.

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wand

July 4, 2008 at 6:24 pm

How convenient. “I did not know it was easy for anyone to have access to minister”.

Anyway, our leaders shake the hands and meet people at functions and events. It is not difficult to meet them. You can have access to their bodyguards and drivers.

You can pass a note trough their aides. In fact, as a one-time student leader, Saiful would know his way around.

As I said, he may be a nobody and someone a minister might not want to see, but if you bring “something valuable,” like this allegation of sodomy against the man who has been taking potshots at the minister, why not.

Why wouldn’t najib see saiful? It makes more sense. You assumption that not easy to meet Malaysian minister not entirely true. It’s what you can offer the minister, not who you are.

“Maybe I was not a good journalist or the type that you were, who was good at ingratiating yourself to politicians.”

I have never been that. never asked favours or accepted gifts of cash from any subject I have covered. Never kowtow to any of them. What I am saying is we were once journalists and we know it is easy to gain access to Malaysian ministers.

Like you said: “Maybe I was not a good journalist.”

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wand

July 4, 2008 at 6:26 pm

@wah wah

You should try it and you would be surprised. You may not get to see the Minister but at lease you can have your picture taken with his aides. Many people do that. Even easier if you are student leader.

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unspun

July 5, 2008 at 6:58 am

@Wand: One of the things I learned after leaving journalism is that what’s obvious to journalists isn’t always obvious to others.

It may be obvious to you (but not to me because I know some thing and I simply don’t know others) how easy it is to gain access to Ministers.

But it is not obvious for the minions out there, especially school dropouts and those not blesses with your superb journalistic knowledge and skills.

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wand

July 6, 2008 at 2:24 am

You still don’t get the point. U keep talking about the minions, I am talking about what the minion has to offer. It’s the offer the opens the door, not the person.

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fistonista

July 6, 2008 at 7:51 am

I agree with your point, unspun….i think it applies almost everywhere that it is not easy (but not impossible) to gain access to our PM or president. they are very busy and important persons who always surrounded by lots of people….
btw, i notice you dont use clipmarks anymore. is there something behind that? i’m just wondering….

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unspun

July 6, 2008 at 10:16 am

@Wand: I understand the point you are trying to make but disagree. I think that when you are in as a high position as the DPM, you would have minders because everyone wants a bit of your time. There are also a lot of crackpots out there so they have to be filtered.

So the only people who get in to the inner circle are people whom the DPM or the minders think is worthy of seeing. So, Mr Journalist, find out the facts for us: Who let the dog in? When? Why? What was said/transacted? How was it done? Do you job well and there’s no need for bloggers like Unspun to be speculating and asking questions.

@Fisto: Thanks. Clipmarks – well, I’m trying out MarsEdit for the time being. It’s good in that you can clip as much as you want and also put in the categories before you post. But I think I might go back to Clipmarks even though the word limitation and inability to tag clips before posting are a bit of a pain.

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Kamarul

July 7, 2008 at 4:15 pm

haiya wand lorh…

“Anyway, our leaders shake the hands and meet people at functions and events. It is not difficult to meet them.”

–meaning najib and saiful met at function? what function? conspiracy meeting? u knoe to arrange things…

–haha so funny saiful went to see najib to ask for scholarship? shouldn’t he go to see those ppl from KPT or JPA instead?

“Why najib not other ministers? Why not Najib. This guy has been in the firing line of Anwar. It is only natural that I would go to Anwar’s enemy. Remember “your enemy is my enemy”
“As I said, he may be a nobody and someone a minister might not want to see, but if you bring “something valuable,” like this allegation of sodomy against the man who has been taking potshots at the minister, why not.”

–huh thank God, there goes the motive, right? isnt it so clear?

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unspun

July 7, 2008 at 5:42 pm

@Kamarul: the whole thing smells.

@Wand: Come to think of it, if the DPM and other ministers are so accessible why don’t you, as a journalist, gain access Najib and do what you are supposed to do: ask the tough questions and let the rest of us know?

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Kamarul

July 7, 2008 at 6:33 pm

@unspun: it stinks, everybody know except for those ‘dicucuk hidungnya’…haha

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